Wanting to move to cali... help pls very lost (Fresno: home, buy)

[MtnSurfer]

In your price range I would look more at Florida, Texas and Oregon if you want to be near the coast. Otherwise Utah, Arizona or Nevada may be good options. 400K won't really get you want you are after in terms of sqaure footage here unless in you live in the poorer areas which can have a high percentage of minorities. So either change your criteria (size, price, demographic) or change states IMO.

The one exception to this might be a fixer upper foreclosure. But 400K isn't really much out here, especially for a nice larger home in a good neighborhood - simple supply and demand really.

Derek

[bhcompy]

Originally Posted by readinvin92

not tryin to be mean but im looking for 3k sq ft +

Like I stated earlier, you're not going to have much options in that pricerange at that size. I noted the SoCal areas. I'd also look in places like Stockton. Most of CA suburbs were built in the 50s-80s. These homes were smaller and more functional. 3ksqft is very large(especially with no basements out here to add extra square footage) and you are unlikely to find it affordable except the most outlying developments and the most heavy hit foreclosure cities(like areas in Riverside and San Bernardino Counties, Temecula included, and cities like Stockton. Those areas are all tops on the foreclosure listings and all newer McMansion style homes). Because of the growing number of hispanics, I would imagine that the affordability in these towns will increase the percentage of hispanics just because numbers are going to normalize over time.

Like I stated earlier, I'd look in the Rocky Mountain states and possibly the Pacific Northwest

[CA central coast]

Originally Posted by readinvin92

not tryin to be mean but im looking for 3k sq ft +

I gave you 3k sq ft. in Kingsburg, but maybe 30% Hispanic is too much for you? Regardless, Atascadero is in an area that is one of nicest places to live in the U.S. So do you want 2k sq ft. in a nice place or 3k sq ft where it sucks a$$? Anyway, this is what you do. Go to realtor.com, type in your desired info and cross reference your results with the various city's statistics on city-data. 'Nuff said. I'm done here.

[FresnoFacts]

Originally Posted by Twinkle Toes

but how many other ethnicities do you see working the fields? It's common knowledge - whether FF thinks I'm perpetuating a stereotype or not.

There are lots of other ethnic groups that do and have done field work.

In farm work there are also Asians, Filipinos, Whites, etc. Also Hispanic is more than Mexican, it is multi-cultural including people from other countries.

Research studies in the last 2 years estimate 71% of farm workers in the Valley are Hispanic. So yes they are a large proportion, but not the only group in the fields.

The studies also say only 25% of the Hispanic farm workers in the Valley are migrant, the rest are permanent residents of the farm towns taking farm work within the immediate areas. So most live like ag labor does in the midwest, staying in one place.

Also consider, there are only 45,000 farm jobs in Fresno County including non-field positions per the EDD. There are about 935,000 people in the county. Lots of people, including Hispanics, are doing jobs besides field work.

Originally Posted by Twinkle Toes

And when is the last time C-Ds numbers were updated?

Those numbers are pretty close to my other data sources that I use for work, c-d's are probably no more than 5 years old or so at the worse.

I don't think there would be enough of a significant change in that period to worry about.

The 2007 numbers for the Clovis Unified School District show that only 25% of the children in the district are Hispanic vs. city-data's of a 20% population for the entire city of Clovis.

Hispanics in California are younger in median age than other ethnic groups (26 years old vs. 34 for all Californians) so more of the group is in the early child-raising years which would probably explain the slightly higher school ethnicity percentage in Clovis.

[Twinkle Toes]

Maybe I don't understand why you think farm work is a shameful profession. I've never considered it shameful, but apparently you do. I don't think most Hispanics need you to be their "voice".

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by FresnoFacts

I don't think the poster is trying to be offensive.

But how would we refer to the 46% of Los Angeles County that is Hispanic. By referring only to gangs? Is that an appropriate image of all Hispanics in Southern California?

I work with a lot of 1st and 2nd generation US born people of all ethnic backgrounds helping them to move up the social ladder.

Last Sunday, Extreme Makeover Home Edition broadcast a Fresno home build.

The person receiving the home is a single mother with a Hispanic last name, first in her family to go to college. The show didn't focus on the Hispanic background, not even the fact that her parents were farm workers.

Instead the show focused on the fact that she was born without legs and missing one arm. She was raised in foster homes, got married then divorce, lived on welfare with 4 children, then graduated from college. She had purchased an older home on her own after getting a job but it was not easily wheelchair accessible. She also works with Easter Seals helping families of children with disabilities.

Aren't those the more important impressions of people than perpetuating stereotypes? What they accomplish as individuals, not group stereotypes.

no one is trying to be offensive or start a fight, the OP prefers an area without a lot of hispanics, the central valley has migrant workers, many illegals so may not show up on the stats posted plus who knows how old those stats are. Some are trying to help him make a decision..This is not meant to put down any race..I think you may be a little to defensive..

Nita

[nmnita]

to the op, how about Texas, especially No Texas, it might be a good choice for you. At least check into it. What about the the Carolinas, AR, Tn or Ok? Do any of those sound appealing? Why do you want to leave Michagan?

Nita

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by FresnoFacts

Mentioning only "migrant farm workers" helps to perpetuate a stereotype.

Its like saying Southern California has a large gang population or a large welfare population, most of them Black or Hispanic.

That implies that the members of those ethnic groups in the region ONLY fit into those 2 categories. It also perpetuates any existing stereotypes someone may have about the groups.

Sometimes stereotypes are true. That's why they become stereotypes.

[FresnoFacts]

Originally Posted by nmnita

no one is trying to be offensive or start a fight, the OP prefers an area without a lot of hispanics, the central valley has migrant workers, many illegals so may not show up on the stats posted plus who knows how old those stats are. Some are trying to help him make a decision..This is not meant to put down any race..I think you may be a little to defensive..

Nita

LOL defensive, no. But if we are to help lets make sure we tell all sides and give both data and first hand info.

Would you say all cities in Los Angeles County are heavily Hispanic or are there variations by city? Are the beach cities or Beverly Hills mainly Hispanic? Or that all cities on the Central Coast are mainly white, or will there be variations in diversity and ethnicity?

That's the same situation in the Central Valley or any other region. There exist ethnic variations.

For example there are Central Valley cities that yes are a majority Hispanic, but others are not. We cannot generalize but need to be specific by individual city.

You doubt the numbers but I don't know if its only the Central Valley info that is in question. So lets do a quick check against another data source. (I used city-data originally since it is their forum)

C-D said Clovis was about 20% Hispanic. The 2007 ethnic breakdown from the state for Clovis Unified School District which includes parts of Fresno shows 23% Hispanic students. So those 2 numbers are close.
http://www.ed-data.k12.ca.us/profile...district=62117

As I said before there might have been some small changes in some of the cities but the numbers that I posted previously are probably fairly accurate representations of their ethnicity.

Yes in the Central Valley there are some towns that are heavily Hispanic, but those are not all cities in the Valley. But none of those Hispanic-majority towns were among cities being recommended. My numbers were for the cities being suggested in this thread.

Originally Posted by nmnita

to the op, how about Texas, especially No Texas, it might be a good choice for you. At least check into it. What about the the Carolinas, AR, Tn or Ok? Do any of those sound appealing? Why do you want to leave Michagan?

Nita

I have to admit Nita, no offense, but now I'm confused. Texas? That's roughly 40% Hispanic like California.

Originally Posted by Lovehound

Sometimes stereotypes are true. That's why they become stereotypes.

So we all have to live with the stereotypes about people like us? The ones about Irish, Italians, Polish, Germans, blonde women, athletes, etc. are probably true?

Wow I'm in trouble, I probably fall into a bunch of stereotypes because of my background. I guess I better start living up (or down) to them.

[FresnoFacts]

Originally Posted by Twinkle Toes

Maybe I don't understand why you think farm work is a shameful profession. I've never considered it shameful, but apparently you do. I don't think most Hispanics need you to be their "voice".

Nope not ashamed of honest work or what and who I am.

I've had to support myself many ways over the years, my family was blue collar with good jobs but I needed to earn my way through college and grad school. No free ride from the family.

I've done everything from farm work and janitorial work to business management and eventually owning my own professional services company. Wherever I could find an honest way to make money was OK.

But too many other people do look down on honest work especially if it is physical. And that is unfortunately being passed on to future generations through the things we do and say.

One example is Yosemite. It used to temporarily increase staff in the hotels with college students for the summer rush. Now they bring in foreign workers on visas. Why? Its no longer considered acceptable in most American families to spend the summer making beds, even if it means living in Yosemite all summer and having lots of time off to hike. That type of work is considered for "those people".

It just saddens me to see some people implied to be lesser human beings than others because of their work or ethnicity or gender or age or hometown or education or ???

Give me an person who is honest hardworking with little education over a dishonest educated person anytime.