Do You Think Gavin Newsom Will Be the Next Governor? (live, moving)

[happ]

Originally Posted by BlackShoe

The Republican party panders to the uneducated?But it is the Democrats that have a lock on votes from minorities,the working class,union members,etc.The Dems have always accused the Repubs of being elitist.Have I missed sonething?The Republican Party and Fox news?Am fed up with politicians from both parties,was cricical of many of Bushes policies.Just a bit less fed up with the Republicans.Do like Fox News,one of few places not controled by the Leftwing Media.The Libs get their take on things from Bill Moyers and Keith Olbermann and vote the way MSNBC tells them to.Out of touch?Sorry,like it or not,America is still center right.Did you happen to see the TEA parties a few days ago?It is the Left that is out of touch with reality.Bay Area "progressives",Hollywood elites,most of the media,New York city and New England Liberals;you are out of the mainstram,it is you that are out of step.There are tens of millions of Americans that share my opinions,not just a handful.And finally,yes indeed,many of the candidates that I voted for have won.For instance,ever hear about a fellow named Reagan?

You can rant all you want, but as I posted before, most people in California don't agree with you [clearly this must be obvious to you if you have lived in California for the past decade or two].

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by happ

I am Catholic also & listen to what the church has to say but also make decisions\ voting independent of what Cardinal Mahony preaches. I agree with the church on caring for the poor [including immigrants] but reject the teachings on sexuality. Ironically, if California is more "socialist" than other states it may have something to do with the influence of the Catholic church [who view capitalism with much criticism].

I vote my conscience, not "the Church."

To suggest that someone from the South is "ignorant" is, in-fact, untrue since nearly all the large cities in the South vote Democratic. But to assert that the Republican party panders to the uneducated is true.

I hate to point this out to you but you're the one who said they were ignorant. Go back a few posts and re-read.

California often leads the nation [ie. environmental regulations - alternative fuels\ stem cell research\ tolerance of life-styles\ pro-labor\ creativity, etc.]. Some people in other states view us narrowly & seem to rejoice over California's problems. Some living in the state despise our progressive thinking & call us "communists" or "anti-American" yet greatly benefit in ways they don't even know until they leave California.

I've left and am leaving California again with no regrets this time. I don't care for where California "leads" other to and the state's problems are self-inflicted by so-called "progressives" who, in my opinion, are blind to the harm they have done.

Obviously, you are hurt by my statements regarding the South & I apologize to you, Curmudgeon, but am puzzled that you don't confront the people I am challenging unless you agree with them [minus insults].

Apology accepted but not necessary. I wouldn't challenge people I agreed with. To what end. I will challenge those who I think are weighing-in from (pardon the term) far "left field."

Let's be real and a bit simplistic so this doesn't cause the thread to go off on a complete tangent. Coastal America, both east and west, tends to be very liberal. Coincidentally, or not, it also happens to be very expensive, very labor union oriented and packed with immigrants, both legal and illegal ("undocumented" being an apologist's term). Middle America is ordinarily far more centrist-to-conservative; this last election being more a response to Bush himself than a wholesale rejection of traditional American values.

Agree or disagree, that's my, perhaps, myopic view as someone old enough to be drawing Social Security, a combat veteran with many years of service, a former cop and a legislative and political analyst who doesn't belong to a political party, votes the issues and his conscience and is a social moderate and fiscal conservative.

[bayarea-girl]

Jerry Brown challenges Newsom to an IQ test:

SFGate: Politics Blog : Brown challenges Newsom to an IQ throwdown!

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by bayarea-girl

Jerry Brown challenges Newsom to an IQ test:

SFGate: Politics Blog : Brown challenges Newsom to an IQ throwdown!

How immature. Obviously he's just right for California!

[happ]

It all comes down to tolerance & in California there is significant intolerance of the religious right [thus the Republican party]. We, on the other hand, do tolerate improvement of our environment [can one imagine any politician either Republican or Democratic who would support off-shore drilling?] yet Republicans outside California want more drilling & zero monitoring of the EPA [ie. cocaine\prostitutes for government agents]. The dikes in the Sacramento delta are old & untested until another El Nino dumps cloudbursts of rain or the nearby Hayward fault cuts loose worst than the Loma Prieta quake. California was the poor step-child to Bush who cared less for the needs of the largest state in America. Now a bankrupt nation will assist California to store up the levies before a "Katrina" strikes.

A state willing to regulate & heavily tax tobacco use in order to provide medical care to children. The only state willing to commit funding for pre-school\ after-school programs of supervision\ sports\ tutoring\ counseling to kids of working parents [essentially daycare for all students from kindergarten to 12th grade]. Up until 10 yrs ago all state universities provided low tuition education for all regardless of state where the student lived.

California is committed to the medical care for all citizens in a way that is affordable for the middle-class. Freeing up employers\ companies in California from providing health care insurance will greatly boost the economy & all Californians will have a basic human need = medical\ dental\ psychiatric care. I guess some consider it "socialistic" to take care of our citizens and that may be correct. Taboos\ superstitions aside, there is no boggy man here

The list goes on of how the voters\ legislators & governor want to improve the life of every citizen & that costs money\ taxes. For example: the people of Europe are gladly taxed for the best\ fastest rail system in the world\ universal health care\ mandatory one-month vacations\ 30-hour work week. That's the future, friends!

[majoun]

Originally Posted by BlackShoe

When I made my remarks,I expected a nasty response from the Looney Left,and I was not disappointed.Mr. Newsom represents the poster boy for what is called "San Francisco Values"Nancy Pelosi is the poster girl.This is a term of utter contempt directed at those so called "Secular Progressives" on the far Left by those of us on the Right.They are anti just about everthing that made America a great nation.Liberalism took a sharp left turn not that awfully long ago in America.This may shock and amuse many,but traditional or classical Liberalism had many of the same beliefs of todays so called NeoCons.However,many Leftists adoped Socialist,and yes,Marxist ideology.

Are you aware that the founders of Neoconservatism WERE Marxists?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/ma...pagewanted=all

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by happ

: the people of Europe are gladly taxed for the best...That's the future, friends!

Hot Dang! And here we were dumb enough to fight a war against it back in the 1770s. What WERE we thinking?

[happ]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Hot Dang! And here we were dumb enough to fight a war against it back in the 1770s. What WERE we thinking?

Now what war did Americans fight against the advancement of humankind? Are you equating medical care to lack of representation? What kind of health packet did you have\ currently have, BTW? Isn't the issue that the representatives reflect the majority of Californians [certainly you know that as a former state employee!

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by happ

Now what war did Americans fight against the advancement of humankind? Are you equating medical care to lack of representation? What kind of health packet did you have\ currently have, BTW? Isn't the issue that the representatives reflect the majority of Californians [certainly you know that as a former state employee!

Oh, please. We fought a little war commonly called "Independence" against Britain a few days ago in about 1776, after which we held a convention which produced a constitution that provided for individual and state's rights while specifically limiting federal control and providing for representation based upon population. The welfare state aspects didn't begin until the 1930s, under ::::gasp:::: a democrat and reached their current zenith in 1965 under a ::::gasp:::: democrat and now show promise of increasing under the current administration.

I guess you could say that America felt that "humankind" was intelligent enough and had the capacity to not become dependent upon society for its survival -- that individuals could be self-sufficient.

What kind of health packet do I have/had I had? Full coverage for medical, dental and prescriptions for life. I did this really strange thing. I parlayed education, experience and expertise into a career pattern that provided those benefits, along with a defined benefit pension plan as well as Social Security. So did my wife. DANG! What were we thinking 25 years ago?

[BlackShoe]

Tip of the cap to Curmudgeon,he presents the arguements for freedom and personal responsibility in a calm,logical way.Often I get angry,emotional,and sarcastic,and cannot hide the contempt I feel toward Liberals,Progressives,Socialists,Bolsheviks,and in general,any person on the left side of the spectrum.Have lived in California since the age of 6,and that was a long time ago.Having served in uniform in both cold and hot wars,I'll be damned if I will watch America slide into collectivism without raising a lot of hell.Will get sarcastic again,but this once Golden State is very close to becoming the Peoples Socialist Republic of Mexifornia.Have traveled extensively over a large part of the American West,and think that it is time to leave California.Unlike many that post on this site,my problem is having too many facts and impressions,not too few,thus making a destination choice that much more difficult.