Who has tried moving to another state (Los Angeles, San Francisco: health insurance, layoffs)

[Ultrarunner]

Originally Posted by sheri257

But it's not like the State of California suddenly woke up one day and said: "Let's screw the average boat owner with more nutty environmental regulations!".

Actions have consequences and for my retired Sportsman neighbor it was the last straw...

If we are really serious about transportation, we wouldn't go after private user's of Bio Diesel with the reason that they are not paying there fair share of road tax... a tax that user's of electric vehicles don't pay anyway...

I really can't tell the number of times I end up defending California when I speak to business associates in other States... When I grew up in the Bay Area, nearly half of my public school was made up of children whose Father's were transferred to CA from across the Country...

California has so many things going for it and yet we still manage to screw things up...

All I'm getting at is that it would be nice for a change to return to the more laid-back CA where live and let live would be the motto instead of ever increasing regulation driving residents and business away.

[sheri257]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

Actions have consequences and for my retired Sportsman neighbor it was the last straw...

I really can't tell the number of times I end up defending California when I speak to business associates in other States... When I grew up in the Bay Area, nearly half of my public school was made up of children whose Father's were transferred to CA from across the Country...

Well ... I personally think that all of the people who want to leave should leave. I lived in a bunch of other places ... and, IMO, it still doesn't compare but, let those people judge for themselves.

If those people think California sucks and they're moving out, that actually works great for me because ... I'm on the hunt for some great land bargains on the coast. One gorgeous property was reduced by a whopping $130K just last week ... and the price reductions have just begun. I can't wait to get back there and hunt for more bargains.

There's going to be some fantastic buying opportunities within the next 2-5 years and I intend to fully take advantage of them because I know that California will be back better than ever.

So let those people leave. I'm busy planning my future retirement on the California coast.

[DawnW]

I am right there with you....or will be....eventually.

I would love to buy in the area we previously thought was out of our reach, but after several flips and renovated houses, I think we can swing it.

Dawn

Originally Posted by sheri257

Well ... I personally think that all of the people who want to leave should leave. I lived in a bunch of other places ... and, IMO, it still doesn't compare but, let those people judge for themselves.

If those people think California sucks and they're moving out, that actually works great for me because ... I'm on the hunt for some great land bargains on the coast. One gorgeous property was reduced by a whopping $130K just last week ... and the price reductions have just begun. I can't wait to get back there and hunt for more bargains.

There's going to be some fantastic buying opportunities within the next 2-5 years and I intend to fully take advantage of them because I know that California will be back better than ever.

So let those people leave. I'm busy planning my future retirement on the California coast.

[Cali4life80]

Originally Posted by sheri257

Well ... I personally think that all of the people who want to leave should leave. I lived in a bunch of other places ... and, IMO, it still doesn't compare but, let those people judge for themselves.

If those people think California sucks and they're moving out, that actually works great for me because ... I'm on the hunt for some great land bargains on the coast. One gorgeous property was reduced by a whopping $130K just last week ... and the price reductions have just begun. I can't wait to get back there and hunt for more bargains.

There's going to be some fantastic buying opportunities within the next 2-5 years and I intend to fully take advantage of them because I know that California will be back better than ever.

So let those people leave. I'm busy planning my future retirement on the California coast.

Excellent post!! I absolutely agree. Let the CA haters leave so we can cash in on all the awesome and beautiful real estate they leave behind.

[Niners fan]

Originally Posted by sheri257

Well ... I personally think that all of the people who want to leave should leave.

Originally Posted by Cali4life80

Excellent post!! I absolutely agree. Let the CA haters leave so we can cash in on all the awesome and beautiful real estate they leave behind.

I think you are both mistaking sadness for what California has become and for its full speed march towards socialism (yes, I use that word deliberately but not necessarily pejoratively) with bitterness and anger.

I don't wish anyone ill will who likes the way California is headed. I have a lot of family that is staying here after I move. I will continue to have some customers here. But no state has ever taxed and regulated itself into prosperity. It is interesting to me that countries like France and Canada have recently moved away from socialism.

[Cali4life80]

Originally Posted by Niners fan

I think you are both mistaking sadness for what California has become and for its full speed march towards socialism (yes, I use that word deliberately but not necessarily pejoratively) with bitterness and anger.

I don't wish anyone ill will who likes the way California is headed. I have a lot of family that is staying here after I move. I will continue to have some customers here. But no state has ever taxed and regulated itself into prosperity. It is interesting to me that countries like France and Canada have recently moved away from socialism.

So its okay for ppl to bash CA and the ppl who reside there, but we can't stand up and defend ourselves? I am perfectly happy about where CA is 'headed' as you say. Its still the same beautiful and diverse CA I know it to be. If its so horrible, then why are there still millions of people living there and if it so horrible, then why are people like me, returning back after moving to another miserable state?

[Niners fan]

Originally Posted by Cali4life80

So its okay for ppl to bash CA and the ppl who reside there, but we can't stand up and defend ourselves? I am perfectly happy about where CA is 'headed' as you say. Its still the same beautiful and diverse CA I know it to be. If its so horrible, then why are there still millions of people living there and if it so horrible, then why are people like me, returning back after moving to another miserable state?

Read my post again, very carefully this time. I didn't say anything about Californians speaking up for their state. I am a native and have lots of good things the say about California. I have less good things to say about it than you, but the truth is probably somewhere between my pessimistic view and your pollyanna view.

I am only responding to you calling me a "hater" because I think California is headed in the wrong direction. You and I are never going to agree on California - or Idaho, for that matter. We might even pass each other with moving trucks, both with big grins on our faces! Time will tell if California can make the left wing experiment succeed when it has failed everywhere else.

[Cahatch]

Originally Posted by Lt. Dan

Just curious. Have you figured out where you are going to move to? I left San Luis Obispo after 25+ years and have found a great life here in Tennessee. Arkansas is also wonderful. Good luck!

Lt. Dan.. we are moving to Spokane, WA... husb's family lives in TN and they love it.. we don't like the weather...no mugginess for us..LOL lots from here have moved to TN in the last few years... as far as I know they aren't sorry... we just like WA better... a friend of mine moved to Arkansas a couple of years ago and she loves it... I have family in MO... again.. muggy! sis in law says we would get used to it... uhhhh NO!!

[sheri257]

Originally Posted by Niners fan

But no state has ever taxed and regulated itself into prosperity.

These complaints are nothing new. This has been the conservative gripe about California for decades now. You guys try to make it sound like California has suddenly changed and taken a turn for the worse but, actually, it hasn't.

The only thing that really changed was housing prices got really high. When it comes down to it ... that's the big complaint.

And yeah ... that was really bad news for buyers, but it was fantastic news for sellers. A lot of people became millionaires by selling their houses ... so it certainly wasn't a bad thing for everybody.

California actually made a lot of people rich just by the simple act of owning a home. Sounds like the California dream to me ...

So naturally the disgruntled who weren't able to cash in or ... the disgruntled who paid too much for the their houses are going to scream bloody murder than the entire state as gone straight to hell ... and a lot of them will move.

Go ahead and move to phantom utopia ... the rest of us know better. We're busy making plans for the next Calfornia gold rush.

As the old saying goes ... buy on bad news.

[Niners fan]

Originally Posted by sheri257

These complaints are nothing new. This has been the conservative gripe about California for decades now. You guys try to make it sound like California has suddenly changed and taken a turn for the worse but, actually, it hasn't.

Still doesn't change the fact that a state can't regulate and tax itself into prosperity. But I guess you responded about the only way you could to that...

I should probably quit throwing out reasons about why California is driving much of its tax base out of the state at this point. I think I have made my case and some will with agree with it and some won't. I'm not one of these doomsday scenario people but I do think California is headed down path that is, let say, interesting.

Besides, your responses are going to get this moved to the religious forum!