05-05-2009, 02:50 PM
Location: Columbia, California
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So you did half the work.
You told the DMV and the cops you lived in CA when you registered the car, but you did not apply for a CA drivers license.
This is one of those cases where you can carry two drivers licenses.
My brother has a valid New York and CA license, both are legal.
An attorney could argue for you that the MO license is valid as you get daily mail there, but your car was CA registered.
The lawyer will cost you more than you could collect. Cheapest thing to do now is apply for a CA license but do not turn over your other license. Tell the truth or tell them it's lost. You are not the first person to live in two homes. I built a beach home for a guy who owns 7 other houses.
05-05-2009, 03:29 PM
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K-Dawg
silly boy you should've realized it's not okay to drive without a CA license... it's only okay to drive unlicensed if you're an illegal immigrant and as long as you're uninsured too...
They would have their vehicles impounded too.
05-05-2009, 04:10 PM
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If I'm following, it sounds like the car was impounded because it was not registered in CA, not because the driver didn't have a CA license. Those are 2 very different things.
05-05-2009, 04:18 PM
Location: Columbia, California
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Ktu
Car is registered on my name with California registration, and my wife uses it. Since she lives here. I use it only on weekends when I am here in California.,,,,,.
His name on reg.
05-05-2009, 05:17 PM
Location: SoCal
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Originally Posted by
BennyPhoenix
I dont know if this is still the law or not, but when I moved here the law clearly stated that if you move to calif, then the day your car enters the state it needs to be registered in calif. Some states have a grace period of up to 6 mos. Calif has zero grace period.
The real issue is do you really live in California? The OP claims he only visits California, yet his wife lives here and his car is registered in California. (See quote below.)
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Originally Posted by
Ktu
Car is registered on my name with California registration, and my wife uses it. Since she lives here. I use it only on weekends when I am here in California.
Cops did not stop me for citation, but it was all the vehicle passes that specific road. Basically, they were searching for vehicle driven without licensed or not registered vehicle.
Officer asked me for my license when I reached him. I gave him my MO license then he asked me where do you live. I told him the California address where I was staying then asked me to pull over to the side and send me to another officer. Where I asked him why I was pulled, he said you are driving with other state license, and it is like "driving without license" that was his word . I told him I am a visitor he refused to listen to me further and asked me and my son to get off the car and hit the road.
Okay... First you told the cop you live at the California address. Then you tell the second cop you're only visiting yet your car is registered here in your own name. Having your car registered in this state is a pretty good indication that you live here (although maybe incorrect).
I don't know if you deserve the ticket or not. You claim to live out of state but are you just trying to weasel out of a ticket? Well I'm not the one to decide. You can have your day in court if you like and tell it to the judge. Whatever he decides, that's what it is.
On your court date I suggest that you should bring along some pay check stubs from your MO employer showing that you work there, and bring along a few utility bills and if you rent bring some rent receipts or canceled checks and a copy of your lease. If you own, bring along your most recent property tax bill. You go back to MO every week, right? Just bring that stuff back with you and show it to the judge.
If you can't back up your assertion that you live in MO with documentary evidence then any reasonable person would tend to doubt your story.
05-05-2009, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by
Lovehound
The real issue is do you really live in California? The OP claims he only visits California, yet his wife lives here and his car is registered in California.
Okay... First you told the cop you live at the California address. Then you tell the second cop you're only visiting yet your car is registered here in your own name. Having your car registered in this state is a pretty good indication that you live here (although maybe incorrect)
You can own property in more than one state and register cars in more than one state but you can only register to vote, file a resident tax return, and hold a driver's license in one state at a time. If this person's story is 100% accurate as described, how could a MO resident legally drive in CA at all? It sounds like he'd have been better off keeping the car registered in MO. I love it when the state makes you decide which law to comply with and which to break.
05-05-2009, 06:28 PM
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If he has a residence in MO, an MO drivers license and is registered to vote in MO then he's probably a MO resident. I'm not a lawyer so that determination is best left to a judge.
If you hold a valid drivers license in any state in the US then you can drive in every state. The problem is that you can't have a license in two states at the same time, and if you move to a different state you have some specified amount of time to switch your drivers license.
I don't see the contradiction. If he holds a valid MO drivers license and permanent residence in MO then the officer made a mistake in assuming that "wife lives in CA + car registered in CA = CA resident." On the other hand if he's just ... fabricating ... and really lives in CA then he made a mistake in complaining about it. It's worth noting that Ktu has only 5 posts, which gives the topic a fairly high troll quotient.
But ... it's on the Internet so it must be true!
05-05-2009, 06:36 PM
Location: Columbia, California
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Some states allow you dual licenses. Legally CA does not, but Montana might allow it.
A friend who stayed with me as he was working here for a few months from Tennesse. Gary had a CA licence with his Tenn adress on it. He did keep his Tenn license but I think he said it was lost. Sometimes a DMV clerk is cool and you can slide it off the counter, smile and say it's lost and get away with it.
When I lived in Yosemite I had a PO box as my address, same as in Carmel where there are no street addresses.
My brother ran into some legal problems last year when he worked for me, his lawyer even told him his NY was still valid - even thou his CA license got revoked.
One valid solution is a state license in one state and a state id in the other. All licenses are valid in other states. This would show a reasonable attempt to follow the law.
05-05-2009, 06:45 PM
Location: SoCal
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ferretkona
Some states allow you dual licenses. Legally CA does not, but Montana might allow it.
Might allow it?
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Originally Posted by
ferretkona
A friend who stayed with me as he was working here for a few months from Tennesse. Gary had a CA licence with his Tenn adress on it. He did keep his Tenn license but I think he said it was lost. Sometimes a DMV clerk is cool and you can slide it off the counter, smile and say it's lost and get away with it.
"He said it was lost" sounds like lying to me. DMV clerks shouldn't be cool. They should follow the law, whatever it is. I'm not at all pleased by people who "get away with it."
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ferretkona
When I lived in Yosemite I had a PO box as my address, same as in Carmel where there are no street addresses.
You're not supposed to be able to use a PO box for a CA drivers license, but I know for a fact that one of my close friends did it.
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Originally Posted by
ferretkona
My brother ran into some legal problems last year when he worked for me, his lawyer even told him his NY was still valid - even thou his CA license got revoked.
I'm pretty sure that if your license is suspended in CA you can be prosecuted if they catch you driving in CA while it has been suspended, even if you have a valid license in another state. (IANAL) But I agree that he can probably drive out of California on his NY license.
Sometimes what is legal is quite different than what ends up being enforced. In other words, people often get away with doing things they're not supposed to do.
05-05-2009, 11:17 PM
Location: Columbia, California
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It was fun living in Carmel. Everything is street corners, houses have names instead of addresses. Mail is only delivered to PO boxes.
Very often what is a law in one place is more of a guideline elsewhere.
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People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)