Who's really considering moving out of California (Sacramento, Orange: sale, condo)

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by City Boy

Is there a state where politicians are not corrupt though? I think most states are screwed at this point.

Some states are worse than others. CA is definitely worse than average in corruption and ineptitude. And a lot of Californians like to look the other way and pretend it's not that bad. The ones who realize it really is that bad eventually leave.

[northbayeric]

I've been considering moving out of California and back to my native state of Missouri for the past five years. My wife, who's a native Californian, fell in love with Missouri the first time she saw it when I took her there.

The Governor of California thinks legalizing marijuana is a good idea since it would supposedly bring in an additional couple of billion dollars into the state leaking sieves--I mean coffers. He and other state government folks have blackmailed us into voting Yes on Props 1A through 1E, saying that if they don't pass, they'll need to release thousands of state prisoners out on the streets.

As far as our state government is concerned, I hardly know where to begin in conveying my wholesale disgust and contempt. OK. Why is it that they cannot understand that if you raise taxes, you discourage the activities subject to those tax increases, causing actual revenues to be much less than forecast? Now they're saying we'll run out of money possibly as early as July, or 60 days from now.

Back in 2006, the median price of a home where I live was about $625,000, making a move to Missouri a total no-brainer. We put our house up for sale in October 2007, a few months after I finished grad school, and we couldn't sell it even a year later. Fast forward to the present day, and the median price of a home here has fallen to a little less than half of what it was in 2006. Even with Sacramento's screwball politics, and ridiculous taxes and fees on things we just try to avoid at all costs (pun intended), the gap in home prices between here and Missouri has narrowed dramatically. And I have to be thankful for my (secure for the time being) job where I've been for almost 20 years.

My heart would love to make Missouri our new home, but my head is telling me to stand pat at least for now and be happy to go to Missouri on vacation once I pay down some hefty debts. On the other hand, in the remote chance Mayor Gavin Newsom becomes Governor Gavin Newsom, all bets are off! Ditto if my wife becomes pregnant, because there is no way our kids are going to be raised in such a climate as what we have here.

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by Sassberto

And I guess some people just make it their business to scream and shout that they're leaving on the way out...

I certainly have zero interest in convincing a bunch of strangers on the internet that I'm right and they're wrong.

Nobody is screaming and shouting, and your exaggerations are astonishing.

Who cares about convincing anybody? It's a discussion. People disagree, and they learn about opposing opinions by discussing topics. Sometimes they change their minds. Other times at least they learn to appreciate diverging opinions.

It seems to me that you could use a bit of the latter.

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

Some states are worse than others. CA is definitely worse than average in corruption and ineptitude. And a lot of Californians like to look the other way and pretend it's not that bad. The ones who realize it really is that bad eventually leave.

I completely disagree with you. While any batch of politicians is bound to have a few bad apples, I doubt that corruption has hardly anything to do with California's present problems.

Instead it's simply the will to expand the government sector, and the consequent cost to citizens in the form of increased taxes.

Let's not make this more complicated than it needs to be. If you think there are corrupt politicians, please name names.

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by northbayeric

The Governor of California thinks legalizing marijuana is a good idea since it would supposedly bring in an additional couple of billion dollars into the state leaking sieves--I mean coffers. He and other state government folks have blackmailed us into voting Yes on Props 1A through 1E, saying that if they don't pass, they'll need to release thousands of state prisoners out on the streets.

Yeah, he did that, and he implied that we might not be able to fight fires like the current one in Santa Barbara if the measures were not passed. It's time to bring out the circus...

[4beanie]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

Yeah, he did that, and he implied that we might not be able to fight fires like the current one in Santa Barbara if the measures were not passed. It's time to bring out the circus...

I think we are going to see alot of scare tactics the next 9 days to try to get us to vote yes on 1A. There going to play the firefighter card

[Lovehound]

And don't forget the teacher card. "It's for the children!" Nevermind that it's for $90K/year teachers who work 9 months a year and retire at XXX% of their salary. I honestly don't know what their retirement benefits are, but my own retirement benefits are 0% and I'm damned sick and tired of paying taxes to give teachers or -------- (insert your favorite public employee) better benefits than I'm getting.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Sassberto

I certainly have zero interest in convincing a bunch of strangers on the internet that I'm right and they're wrong.

Then why do you persist in attempting to do so by arguing the stances of those who have lived here and been around longer than you?

If you've found what you want here in Kahleefornia then more power to you. Some of us haven't or have been here long enough to have lived and know what the state has lost, as we perceive it, and are moving on to where, in their estimations, the fescue is more verdant.

It makes none of us either right nor wrong, just different.

By the way, while you're entitled to your opinion you diminish your "exalted" position as a moderator by entering into the fray.

As always, just one man's opinion!

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

By the way, while you're entitled to your opinion you diminish your "exalted" position as a moderator by entering into the fray.

Nobody should give him (or her?) any consideration beyond a that of a regular member, other than that we should all follow all the C-D TOS. Maybe he carries a big stick, but he can't use it unless we violate the TOS or do not exercise good discretion in composing our posts.

And it seems that Sassberto is also intending to leave California (which I understand from reading his posts) and his reasons are the usual: a myriad of various collisions between personal life and living in California.

Let's not politicize this.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

Let's not politicize this.

That works!