Who's really considering moving out of California (San Diego, Newport Beach: scorpions, camp)

[Ludachris]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

One of the things they deregulated was the power industry (electricity) which set the stage for California to get screwed in later years by out of state energy companies.

And I suppose they got that one wrong. But at the same time, there will always be those looking to take advantage of any system.

So what's the answer? More regulation to drive more businesses out of the state? Or less regulation that results in less protection? Shouldn't there be a balance? Wouldn't you agree that the state is leaning more towards over regulation in general at the moment?

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by Ludachris

And I suppose they got that one wrong.

Ya think?

I don't see that we need any more regulation or any less regulation than we have now. It depends on what you're regulating.

How about California should start regulating its spending?

[Ludachris]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

Ya think?

I don't see that we need any more regulation or any less regulation than we have now. It depends on what you're regulating.

How about California should start regulating its spending?

Yeah, I remember paying those PG&E bills.

Exactly right - it depends on what's being regulated and how it's being regulated. I think California is a bit too heavily regulated at the moment. Deregulation could cause problems if it's not done right, but I think it's necessary to cut back on it some and try to do it in a smart way - along with cutting back on social programs and cutting back on wasteful spending.

[Lovehound]

I don't have any problem with decreasing regulation in some areas, depending on which ones they are. I'll agree that some areas are over-regulated, and some could probably use more regulation.

[nightbird47]

I moved nine months ago, and last month went to visit a friend in Arizona. We did tourist over the whole state and it was fantastic and I'll say quite truthfully it is a beautiful state. Then I came home.

I was looking at things differently. I will never be "from" here. I like the people and the state and the feeling, for its what I was seeking, and don't want to change it, but will always be a Californian. Its just that I was never one of your "typical" Californians so this is quite right.

But I realized, for personal reasons, that I might also leave here. But I would never consider going back to California. The more I read about the disastor its in and the more I read about Arnie's attempts at bribary the stronger that feeling is. It looks like all the really good things that made it a great state are being wiped out. I'm not even going to say what I think about immegration, except I'm very happy to live in one of the two states that actually took their own action against the illegals.

When those who have been raised there leave I think they carry with them all the images of why they go, and the memory of what they see lost. I never went back to one place I lived there with a bird sancuary in the park because I knew so many of the birds so well and when west nile hit didn't want to know how many perished. I was raised in the San Fernando valley and wouldn't go there now, wouldn't want to see what its become/becoming. And when most of the relatives have moved out of the state and the family gatherings are no longer, I will have no reason to go back to California at all.

In my heart I hold the state dear, the one I knew and still mourn that its so badly broken and much of it vanished. I would visit the north since I have only been there once, but when there is no strong reason to go to socal, I'm done with it. Let it be remembered properly.

[MotleyCrew]

Originally Posted by nightbird47

I moved nine months ago, and last month went to visit a friend in Arizona. We did tourist over the whole state and it was fantastic and I'll say quite truthfully it is a beautiful state. Then I came home.

I was looking at things differently. I will never be "from" here. I like the people and the state and the feeling, for its what I was seeking, and don't want to change it, but will always be a Californian. Its just that I was never one of your "typical" Californians so this is quite right.

But I realized, for personal reasons, that I might also leave here. But I would never consider going back to California. The more I read about the disastor its in and the more I read about Arnie's attempts at bribary the stronger that feeling is. It looks like all the really good things that made it a great state are being wiped out. I'm not even going to say what I think about immegration, except I'm very happy to live in one of the two states that actually took their own action against the illegals.

When those who have been raised there leave I think they carry with them all the images of why they go, and the memory of what they see lost. I never went back to one place I lived there with a bird sancuary in the park because I knew so many of the birds so well and when west nile hit didn't want to know how many perished. I was raised in the San Fernando valley and wouldn't go there now, wouldn't want to see what its become/becoming. And when most of the relatives have moved out of the state and the family gatherings are no longer, I will have no reason to go back to California at all.

In my heart I hold the state dear, the one I knew and still mourn that its so badly broken and much of it vanished. I would visit the north since I have only been there once, but when there is no strong reason to go to socal, I'm done with it. Let it be remembered properly.

This is a sad point in history. My folks settled in California in the early 30's and my dad became one of the first motorcycle officers for LAPD. I remember riding on that horse of a Harley when I was just a baby. I remember going to the old city hall where the police headquarters was and wandering around those awesome hallways. He used to take me to Chinatown for lunch and the Pantry where former prisoners made the best hamburgers on the planet. Hollywood blv was a jewel and not full of druged up morons and prostitutes. The streets were clean, the homes were well kept. Christmas was celebrated and the cities would decorate the median strips with giant canes and lights. I hate the so called progress that has destroyed this awesome state. I love going to Disneyland and hope to hell Arnold doesnt sell that too...oh wait it isnt a national monument....should be.

[4beanie]

Originally Posted by nightbird47

I moved nine months ago, and last month went to visit a friend in Arizona. We did tourist over the whole state and it was fantastic and I'll say quite truthfully it is a beautiful state. Then I came home.

I was looking at things differently. I will never be "from" here. I like the people and the state and the feeling, for its what I was seeking, and don't want to change it, but will always be a Californian. Its just that I was never one of your "typical" Californians so this is quite right.

But I realized, for personal reasons, that I might also leave here. But I would never consider going back to California. The more I read about the disastor its in and the more I read about Arnie's attempts at bribary the stronger that feeling is. It looks like all the really good things that made it a great state are being wiped out. I'm not even going to say what I think about immegration, except I'm very happy to live in one of the two states that actually took their own action against the illegals.

When those who have been raised there leave I think they carry with them all the images of why they go, and the memory of what they see lost. I never went back to one place I lived there with a bird sancuary in the park because I knew so many of the birds so well and when west nile hit didn't want to know how many perished. I was raised in the San Fernando valley and wouldn't go there now, wouldn't want to see what its become/becoming. And when most of the relatives have moved out of the state and the family gatherings are no longer, I will have no reason to go back to California at all.

In my heart I hold the state dear, the one I knew and still mourn that its so badly broken and much of it vanished. I would visit the north since I have only been there once, but when there is no strong reason to go to socal, I'm done with it. Let it be remembered properly.

Very well said. We all mourn the Ca of the past. I could never, never live in So. ca again. There are too many good memories of the past to compare it too.

[4beanie]

Just got a call from the realtor. We got the property in Texas. We'll be going there (not moving yet) to visit next month we will be registering our first car there. That will save us 400.00. Pays for the gas. Now it's just a matter of time. I feel so much better knowing the state is not getting that 400.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by MotleyCrew

This is a sad point in history. My folks settled in California in the early 30's and my dad became one of the first motorcycle officers for LAPD. I remember riding on that horse of a Harley when I was just a baby. I remember going to the old city hall where the police headquarters was and wandering around those awesome hallways. He used to take me to Chinatown for lunch and the Pantry where former prisoners made the best hamburgers on the planet. Hollywood blv was a jewel and not full of druged up morons and prostitutes. The streets were clean, the homes were well kept. Christmas was celebrated and the cities would decorate the median strips with giant canes and lights. I hate the so called progress that has destroyed this awesome state. I love going to Disneyland and hope to hell Arnold doesnt sell that too...oh wait it isnt a national monument....should be.

Ah, the memories. Born in San Diego in 1946 and raised for years in Newport Beach. I remember well how going to L.A. was a treat and an adventure in the 50s and 60s instead of a chore. Lunch at the Brown Derby was a really special occasion and not just the live entertainment but the Panorama Theater and Grauman's Chinese. We always felt safe and it was exciting.

Thanks to special guest passes we were at Disneyland the day it opened. It was a month before my 9th birthday. It was pure magic.

Christmas always encompassed special and wondrous displays put out by cities and towns commemorating the birth of Christ and I don't recall anyone's fragile psyche being irreparably damaged by it. By the same token I don't remember any vandalism of those various scenes or of individual house decorations. Graffiti was something you found in New York, not hometown America. Back in the day most people respected other's property rights and lets face it, even animals are smart enough not to foul their own nests.

So I wax nostalgic. I miss what this state used to be and despair that my children and grandchildren couldn't and won't have the same wondrous memories that came with simpler, more wholesome, patriotic times. As we prepare to move back to America I lament what I see as the coarsening and decline of our culture and of my state.

[maja]

We're outta here. Heading to Maine this summer...WhhooooHhhooooo! Sick of the commute, sick of the congestion/overcrowding, sick of the smog, sick of the eternal hot, sunny, hot, dry, hot, hot, hot days, sick of bling & flipflops, sick of fire, flood & earthquake threats, sick of the threats of gangbangers & Mexican Drug Cartel, sick of driving everywhere & sprawl and the Entertainment Industry reigning supreme, sick of spoiled kids growing up way too fast, sick of Nannies, Bunco, Texas Hold-Em, Southern Living Parties, sick of dry, brown terrain, rattlesnakes, coyotees, & mountain lions, tarantulas & black widow spiders Sick of it all...Sorry, its just not for me...Good luck to all who stay - hope its your choice and not because you're trapped!