Need help fleeing high-tax liberalism in California. (Los Angeles, Fresno: apartment, leasing)

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Brave Stranger

California had what was called a "source tax" that was hounding folks that retired out-of-state. We had a lot of people from CA move to NH in the early 90s because NH would not help CA track down its former citizens and send their pension money back there. The law was changed in 1996.

As a retired California state worker it was the rescinding of the source tax that led me to the decision in 1996 to retire ABC ,-- Anywhere But California. In the next couple of months my wife, also a retired state worker, and I will be leaving for a state with a much lower tax burden.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by stockwiz

I'll be "responsible to society" when the government starts actually being our representatives, instead of doing whatever they want. They opened the borders and let all them people flood in and gave them free education and medical care just out of spite towards "conservatives" and now they have to deal with the fact they are out of money.

The allegation that liberals opened the borders and let people flood in to spite conservatives just isn't true. I lived and worked in California most of my life, and the government began turning a blind eye toward illegals under Reagan. Employers hired them with absolute impunity, one of the companies I worked for was raided twice and within 24 hours every undocumented worker was back at work... In my opinion it was part of the grand 'republican' plan to lower the wage rate for US blue collar workers and bust unions, all they had to do was flood the market with undocumented workers who would work for anything, under any conditions.

It continued under other administrations, I won't argue that..but in my opinion 'opening the borders' clearly started with Reagan. Look at the meat packing industry- wages have dropped from around $18 to near minimum wage since undocumented workers have replaced union labor, doesn't sound to me like a plan any 'liberal' administration would advocate.

[BennyPhoenix]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

The allegation that liberals opened the borders and let people flood in to spite conservatives just isn't true. I lived and worked in California most of my life, and the government began turning a blind eye toward illegals under Reagan. Employers hired them with absolute impunity, one of the companies I worked for was raided twice and within 24 hours every undocumented worker was back at work... In my opinion it was part of the grand 'republican' plan to lower the wage rate for US blue collar workers and bust unions, all they had to do was flood the market with undocumented workers who would work for anything, under any conditions.

It continued under other administrations, I won't argue that..but in my opinion 'opening the borders' clearly started with Reagan. Look at the meat packing industry- wages have dropped from around $18 to near minimum wage since undocumented workers have replaced union labor, doesn't sound to me like a plan any 'liberal' administration would advocate.

Reagan did not "Open" the borders. The borders have been open forever. The govt never did anything to regulate or protect the border. The flow across the border increases everytime the minimum wage goes up and other wages for unskilled labor go up. That creates a demand for people who will work for below the legal wages. Wages rose quickly under Carter and Reagan and that spurred a large increase and illegals crossing.

[e_cuyler]

I believe Reagan did have some kind of big amnesty program, however.

[Tallysmom]

Originally Posted by Rpche

I was born and raised here in California and I love it. I love everything, except the rampant liberalism and high punitive taxes.

I make most of my money online these days, and within a couple of years 100% of my income should be coming from online ventures. So physically there won't be any need to be officially living in California.

What I plan on doing is incorporating in Nevada and establishing an official business/personal address there (the same place), registering my cars in Nevada, and getting a Nevada drivers license.

But I would live in California 99.9% of the time.

The tax savings (10% state income tax plus lots of other liberal B.S.) will be substantial.

I plan on hiring a lawyer to take care of the nuts and bolts, but I was wondering if anybody has experience with this.

Thank you.

Your Nevada registered car would be sitting at a California residence 99.9% of the time -- you will get busted.

Heck -- I'd report you.

If you really hate the tax system, work to change it. Or move. Don't suck up all the good California has to offer and then not pay for it. To me that's just as bad as all the nasty stuff people say about the illegals.

And yes -- I make a good living and I pay my taxes. And I don't complain about it.

[BennyPhoenix]

Originally Posted by e_cuyler

I believe Reagan did have some kind of big amnesty program, however.

He did. Some(Many?) illegals were granted amnesty.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by BennyPhoenix

He did. Some(Many?) illegals were granted amnesty.

The number of illegals granted amnesty under Reagan's amnesty act range from 3 million to 5 million, at a net cost of 24 billion dollars (from 1986-1996) in direct payments to the new citizens in assistance payments. Plus indirect costs of another 54 billion
Measuring the Fallout
VDARE.com: 06/11/04 - View From Lodi, CA: Reagan—The Welfare/ Immigration Paradox. [With JoeNote To VDARE.com Readers!]

[surfermsc]

Originally Posted by Rpche

I was born and raised here in California and I love it. I love everything, except the rampant liberalism and high punitive taxes.

I make most of my money online these days, and within a couple of years 100% of my income should be coming from online ventures. So physically there won't be any need to be officially living in California.

What I plan on doing is incorporating in Nevada and establishing an official business/personal address there (the same place), registering my cars in Nevada, and getting a Nevada drivers license.

But I would live in California 99.9% of the time.

The tax savings (10% state income tax plus lots of other liberal B.S.) will be substantial.

I plan on hiring a lawyer to take care of the nuts and bolts, but I was wondering if anybody has experience with this.

Thank you.

Thank you for posting this. The taxes in CA are outrageous and are just getting worse and worse. If you are thinking of moving here to make money like you could in that past I promise you times have changed. My advise? STAY AWAY!

28% Federal income tax
10% CA State income tax
8.50% sales tax
Los Angeles (and other Metros) business specific taxes (roughly 7% for my business).
Outrageous cost of living
Low Quality if life in major cities (everyone lives in apartments)
Real Estate is SKY HIGH. Expect to pay 800k - 1 million dollars for a nice house you can get in Oregon or Tennessee for $150k.
THE RICH CONTROL EVERYTHING AND THEY ARE LOCKED IN.
Sky high traffic tickets. Seat-belt ticket. Mandatory 2 hour court appearance and a no-show. BAM! Ticket increases to $400.00 They have also QUADRUPLED all tickets. You get a ticket in Los Angeles YOU ARE OUT ALLOT OF MONEY. Forget to show up in court? YOU ARE SCREWED.

The last straw was having two county government employees show up at my business to order me to pay a 2 cents per pound "warehouse tax" on any products handled my me - plus the burden of keeping an extensive ledger/records. Roughly an additional $700.00 per month straight to the county of Los Angeles!

FORGET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You want to punish me for trying to make somthing out of myself? You want to reward all these people on fake disability phony SSI claims? I met people like this. And all these illegal immigrants living off the system? I'm very sorry they are poor! And I'm very sorry they live 6-7 people to 1 apartment! But that is not my fault! I did not pass NAFTA and I should not have to pay these high taxes to help feed, clothe and house them.

TAX ME ? Fine! I REFUSE to live in the state of CA anymore!

SO I LEFT. I transferred my business to FL where there is ZERO state income tax and no targeted taxes to my business.

That being said I miss living in Los Angeles so much I loved it there. It's the world in one place. There is so much variety and mental stimulation. All you have to do is walk outside and you are immersed in it. It really upsets me these politicians are passing law after law to punish those who produce and work hard whilst rewarding those who don't. They chase away businesses and punish productive citizens in this way.

[BennyPhoenix]

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

[surfermsc]

Originally Posted by Rpche

How would they know?

The business is incorporated in Nevada. All business takes place through Nevada.

I will have a residence in Nevada, and pay utilities in Nevada. I will be registered to vote in Nevada, will have a Nevada drivers license, and my cars will be registered in Nevada.

We haven't hit the point yet where the liberals in government track all of our movements, so how would they know that I spend most of my time in California?

The law in CA says that any car in CA more than 2 weeks I think? Could be wrong but whatever it's a short amount of time - must get CA plates.
The local police can and will pull you over simply for having out of state plates and they will log it. If you spend too much time in any one place and you are pulled over a second or third time what's your excuse?

Um. Ya I know you pulled me over before, umm ya I don't live here.