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Old 05-20-2009, 09:50 AM
 
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We have to pay to live in California. If you can not afford it or are too stingy than by all means move ASAP. Otherwise, like any illegal resident, you are just being a leach. But please spare us the usual Republican excuses to not contribute unless if benefits you directly. Really, Texas or Mississippi would be much better for your kind of person.
The most knee jerk predictably angry person I've ever encountered on this or any other message board.
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:59 AM
 
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2. "Tax and Spend" doesn't result in balanced budgets. It's the opposite.
Yes it does. Did Clinton burden the country with a crippling deficit when he left office? "Tax and Spend" sure beats the new Republican economic doctrine, "Just Spend". Bush gave massive tax cuts to the wealthy during a time of war, vastly increased government spending and never used his veto pen during two terms in office. He just presided over a unidirectional flow of money out of the treasury. Give a small checking account to a 10-year old and he'll quickly learned what Bush never did: you can't write endless checks and ignore the problem that no additional revenue is coming in.

I suppose the Reeps will try and add Bush to the growing list of sheep-skin Republicans who aren't "real Republicans." Seems like no one can agree on what a "real Republican" is anymore. It's a fractured tribe of religious zealots, fumbling free-market theorists and anti-government extremists that really don't share a common world view. Even Reagan's former glow has dimmed of late as economists have revealed that the root of the current economic crisis goes back three decades to the failed philosophy of trickle-down economics. It doesn't work and never has.

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1. 85% of California's budget goes towards welfare and schools. Welfare for individuals and people who don't want to buy their own health insurance.
That doesn't wash either. The Oregon Health Plan -- which has been held up as a national model -- provides a far more comprehensive safety net for medical security than Medi-Cal does (yet more evidence that Oregon is more progressive than California). Neither plan is for people who don't want to buy insurance, it is for the uninsurable (for-profit private insurers cherry-pick who they want to cover and then cancel coverage to those who later file claims). We also have schools here and have to follow the same NCLB requirements that California does.

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Old 05-20-2009, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I just thought I'd mention something:

Although Texas has no income tax, they do, however, have the highest property tax in the nation at about $18 per every $1,000 worth of valued property, which is much higher than in California (about 1.25% of property value).

In fact, there are 44 other states in this nation with property taxes HIGHER than California.

I think it could be much worse. Each state has a way of recooperating its losses in one sector of taxation.



Right, because cities like Eugene, Ashland, and Medford aren't at all liberal. [rolls eyes]
Property tax RATES only tell part of the story. I think most people actually care far more about the out of pocket cash paid for taxes. In Texas - if property taxes are 2% on $200,000 the annual bill is $4,000.

In much of California that same house probably costs $600K or more. At 1% the annual bill is far more than actual out of pocket costs in Texas. No income tax at all.

We have lower services in Texas, no doubt. But I'm happy about that.
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Old 05-20-2009, 02:05 PM
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Need to do this carefully w/a competent tax lawyer

High-tax places like NYC (~13% inc tx rate) or CA (~10% inc tax rate) have a long history of going after those who play the tax arbitrage; most affluent people have residences in multiple states so easier to arbitrage the legalities

Many wealthy people in CA and NYC are (or have) technically moved to NV or TX or FL (or do it for brief periods during a major capital gain event like sale of a company)

CA has a huge draw w/its weather and topography but affluent people will only pay so much for it if they feel tax-abused by various unions and politicians, esp in a far more virtual and globalized world than back in '70s when many fled NYC for CT over taxes, costs, crime, etc....suspect we'll see a 70s redux in NYC and CA, but now many affluent can easily work from anywhere on a laptop or Blackberry

BTW, amused by the "need" for abusive tax rates, allegedly for "services to pay for poor/teachers/police/fire" argument; Dallas and Houston have many of same social "issues" as LA or SF but have a low-tax, pro-business ethos, as does allegedly corrupt Chicago (3% state income tax rate)....isn't competition great?
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Old 05-20-2009, 02:22 PM
 
Location: In them thar hills
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Live in Incline. Best of both worlds, assuming you are OK with having a real winter.
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Old 05-20-2009, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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The 2 states with no income tax (Nevada and Texas) do not have this problem.
You're forgetting Alaska, Florida, South Dakota, Washington and Wyoming.

New Hampshire and Tennessee only tax dividend and interest income.
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Old 05-20-2009, 05:51 PM
 
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Yes it does. Did Clinton burden the country with a crippling deficit when he left office?
Bill Clinton and the Republican Congress actually CUT taxes. This resulted in increased prosperity and a balanced budget.

Look up the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997
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Old 05-20-2009, 07:27 PM
 
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Bill Clinton and the Republican Congress actually CUT taxes. This resulted in increased prosperity and a balanced budget.

Look up the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997
Yes, but they cut taxes in a way that primarily benefited the lower and middle-class folks...an idea that is anathema to the GOP.
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Old 05-21-2009, 12:08 AM
 
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We have to pay to live in California. If you can not afford it or are too stingy than by all means move ASAP. Otherwise, like any illegal resident, you are just being a leach. But please spare us the usual Republican excuses to not contribute unless if benefits you directly. Really, Texas or Mississippi would be much better for your kind of person.
I think he has a right to keep his money. If he's figured out a way to do so more power to him.

Stop the haterade.

Thanks.
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Old 05-21-2009, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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Think carefully about Nevada. Only from this perspective: one out of 3 who have moved here have come from high-taxed California. And another good percentage from high-taxed New York.

And when they move here there's things they are going to miss and find a way of obtaining them. One way or another.

I once did home care on a woman who lived with her New York transplanted parents. Oh the complaints: Gee! In New York we were entitled to 10 hours of home care a day! Here we only get 6 and they're threatening to cut us down to 4 hours a day!

Phone calls, numerous letters to legislators, the Governor, scream and cry, scream and cry.

Our recent smoking restrictions in Nevada: Thank-you transplants!

Just something to think about. Maybe move to a state with the fewest New York and California transplants.
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