Time Magazine thought California was done in the 70s & again in the 90s

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by user_id

I have never stated that people that don't agree with me are ignorant, some may feel the costs are really worth it. I gave the example of older residents that have lower costs and people that don't want to leave their friends/families. That was not intended to exhaustive.

But ignorance plays a big part in this issue. Californians tend to think California is "the best" because that is the way it is presented to them and they have not traveled the country. In no other state have I experienced so many people that are convinced that where they live is the best despite not having traveled much outside of their region of the country (or world).


I read your reply, you implied that the State was just experiencing the same thing as the rest of the nation. That it will rebound like the rest of the nation. But the state's problems are greater than the nation in general as can be seen by its unemployment rate being much greater than the national average, its state deficit being much greater than average (per capita), etc. California is not in the same boat as everyone else, suggesting that it is is just brushing off the real problems that exist in the state.


This is hogwash, I never stated that people that don't think CA is the worst place to live are ignorant. After all, I don't think California is even close to being the "worst place to live". Rather, I said that many people (not all) think the state is the "best" and stay here because they are ignorant of what other parts of the country are like and can offer them.


Its not my response to any argument made, its my response to comments that don't even address anything at all. I've never stated that "the entire middle-class" wants to leave, not even close. You also keep mentioning that your friends have less negative views then me, what why in the world does that matter? I really have no idea.

Now, you are pretending that I'm calling people ignorant that don't agree with me. You are just building straw man. And to that I say "so what".

Do you argue line-by-line evereything that is ever said to you? You must be a riot on the cocktail circuit!

[Ludachris]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Do you argue line-by-line evereything that is ever said to you? You must be a riot on the cocktail circuit!

Curmudgeon, you share a similar view as user_id, yet we don't seem to have any problems discussing the topic? Am I coming across with my points wrong? Do you understand the point I'm trying to make?

[user_id]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Do you argue line-by-line evereything that is ever said to you? You must be a riot on the cocktail circuit!

No, just the incorrect things that are said to me I guess I should avoid the cocktail circuit?

And Ludachris, me and Curmudgeon really do not share views. The only thing in common, that I can tell, is that we are both planning on leaving the state.