those who wanted to move to CA (San Francisco: car registration, mortgage)

[jc76]

Originally Posted by curious quetzal

I would like to move to California despite the economic crisis. I currently reside in southwestern pennsylvania, which is much cheaper than california but not as progressive. I grew up in Pittsburgh and I now live in a town, that without its university would be just another small town mired in its sad yet important history of coal mining. The economy here is and has been awful for quite a while. It is discouraging that there are economic problems in CA as well, but I would like to leave the area I am in anyways. I should specify that I want to move to the Bay Area. It seems quite futuristic and open compared to what I am used to.

The entire west coast is "futuristic" in comparison to where you and i are from.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by jc76

The entire west coast is "futuristic" in comparison to where you and i are from.

The use of the word, "futuristic" is curious. While California has been called "progressive" for many years, I shudder to think that the direction it's currently heading is an indicator of what's to come. As a native who has lived in all three Californias, south, central and north, what I see is a geologically gorgeous state rushing headlong into third world status with a population in which people like me (caucasian) who speak my language (English) are already a minority in many areas, including it's capitol city in which we now reside. That's not a "future" I wish to remain here to see become even more prevalent. "Celebrating our diversity" has become the politically correct motto of our state but I define it as overtaking societal history, traditions, values and morays. If I wanted to live in a foreign country, and I've lived in three already, I would move there.

As always, just one man's opinion.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

I hate the fact that California has been targeted by take over by "progressives." They keep flooding in and moving it further and further to the left. There is the concept of a "Free State Project" where those who believe in liberty all move to some state in order to carve out a distinctive place where the values of the USA's Founding Fathers can be brought to the fore. California is the ANTI-FREE STATE PROJECT! It is an experiment whereby those who believe in the "soft tyranny" De Toqueville warned of all move to a place and see how far they can go without turning it into an outright Communist dictatorship.

Anyone think this is over the top? Think again ...

[FresnoFacts]

Originally Posted by curious quetzal

I would like to move to California despite the economic crisis. I currently reside in southwestern pennsylvania, which is much cheaper than california but not as progressive. I grew up in Pittsburgh and I now live in a town, that without its university would be just another small town mired in its sad yet important history of coal mining. The economy here is and has been awful for quite a while. It is discouraging that there are economic problems in CA as well, but I would like to leave the area I am in anyways. I should specify that I want to move to the Bay Area. It seems quite futuristic and open compared to what I am used to.

I understand what you mean. I've spent a lot of time in the areas around you, Pittsburgh and Washington; Youngstown; Wheeling; etc.

Nice areas, nice people and do have things to offer but there IS a difference in viewpoints back there when compared to anywhere in California.

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

I hate the fact that California has been targeted by take over by "progressives." They keep flooding in and moving it further and further to the left. ...

With the European elections being won this week by the center-right parties, I hope that is the start of a California/US movement away from the left and back toward the center also.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

I hate the fact that California has been targeted by take over by "progressives." They keep flooding in and moving it further and further to the left. There is the concept of a "Free State Project" where those who believe in liberty all move to some state in order to carve out a distinctive place where the values of the USA's Founding Fathers can be brought to the fore. California is the ANTI-FREE STATE PROJECT! It is an experiment whereby those who believe in the "soft tyranny" De Toqueville warned of all move to a place and see how far they can go without turning it into an outright Communist dictatorship.

Anyone think this is over the top? Think again ...

BTW - Alinsky wrote about the idea of a take over of California. While most of the Summer of Love crowd and those following in their footsteps the next 35 years we're mostly quasi apolitical airheads, besides them, a sizable cohort of hard core radicals also migrated here over the years. Ah yes, always in search of somewhere "more open" and "progressive." I wish the type of brutishness depicted in "There Will Be Blood" was for real and not a bunch of Upton Sinclair hyperbole. In that case, perhaps someone would have stood tall against radical encroachment. Imagine, for example, if SF had turned out to be more of a Buford Pusser type place, after WW2, that did not look fondly upon lawlessness and anti Americanism. How different things might have turned out.

[TristramShandy]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

I hate the fact that California has been targeted by take over by "progressives." They keep flooding in and moving it further and further to the left. There is the concept of a "Free State Project" where those who believe in liberty all move to some state in order to carve out a distinctive place where the values of the USA's Founding Fathers can be brought to the fore. California is the ANTI-FREE STATE PROJECT! It is an experiment whereby those who believe in the "soft tyranny" De Toqueville warned of all move to a place and see how far they can go without turning it into an outright Communist dictatorship.

Anyone think this is over the top? Think again ...

The Free State Project is hardly looking to be the conservative throwback that your posts seem to want. Their small government swings both ways. I'm doubting you're the kind of person who wants legalized drugs and prostitution to go along with your private school system and non-pasteurized milk. But if you want to move to New Hampshire (or whatever state they made as their choice - - have they made one yet?), go for it. I'd really like to see that project happen - - and see if they secede from the union (as they hint at doing in their mission statement - - somewhere down the road of course ).

[jc76]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

The use of the word, "futuristic" is curious. While California has been called "progressive" for many years, I shudder to think that the direction it's currently heading is an indicator of what's to come. As a native who has lived in all three Californias, south, central and north, what I see is a geologically gorgeous state rushing headlong into third world status with a population in which people like me (caucasian) who speak my language (English) are already a minority in many areas, including it's capitol city in which we now reside. That's not a "future" I wish to remain here to see become even more prevalent. "Celebrating our diversity" has become the politically correct motto of our state but I define it as overtaking societal history, traditions, values and morays. If I wanted to live in a foreign country, and I've lived in three already, I would move there.

As always, just one man's opinion.

I kinda know what you mean. I'm a white guy too and I only speak English and out in CA I did feel like the odd guy out at times. I guess I let the weather and the scenery over ride all that though. But CA did seem better in the stories and pictures I have seen from the 1940's- the 1960's.

[jc76]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

I hate the fact that California has been targeted by take over by "progressives." They keep flooding in and moving it further and further to the left. There is the concept of a "Free State Project" where those who believe in liberty all move to some state in order to carve out a distinctive place where the values of the USA's Founding Fathers can be brought to the fore. California is the ANTI-FREE STATE PROJECT! It is an experiment whereby those who believe in the "soft tyranny" De Toqueville warned of all move to a place and see how far they can go without turning it into an outright Communist dictatorship.

Anyone think this is over the top? Think again ...

Well it seems like in America you are either stuck in a conservative bible thumping area (where I reside) or you live in California, it's like there's no middle ground. But if your in favor of California turning all right wing then maybe you should look into states like mine where you are "free" as long as your not different. We got meat, potatoes, lotsa corn and Budweiser! I got called a *insert bad word for homosexual* for buying Heineken the other day! Come to our state! We are "Good Ol' Americans!"

[Quatermass]

Originally Posted by jc76

Well it seems like in America you are either stuck in a conservative bible thumping area (where I reside) or you live in California, it's like there's no middle ground. But if your in favor of California turning all right wing then maybe you should look into states like mine where you are "free" as long as your not different. We got meat, potatoes, lotsa corn and Budweiser! I got called a *insert bad word for homosexual* for buying Heineken the other day! Come to our state! We are "Good Ol' Americans!"

You really do need to get out more. And I don't mean to Los Angeles.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Originally Posted by TristramShandy

The Free State Project is hardly looking to be the conservative throwback that your posts seem to want. Their small government swings both ways. I'm doubting you're the kind of person who wants legalized drugs and prostitution to go along with your private school system and non-pasteurized milk. But if you want to move to New Hampshire (or whatever state they made as their choice - - have they made one yet?), go for it. I'd really like to see that project happen - - and see if they secede from the union (as they hint at doing in their mission statement - - somewhere down the road of course ).

The government which governs best governs the least.

Pot was legal 100 years ago.

Prostitution, I could care less, it happens in any case.

Food safety - OK, I can support some reasonable regs there.

Screwels - well look at what's there today and try to defend it.