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View Poll Results: The situation is hopeless, the Federal Government needs to bail out California
Yes, they can not support themselves 0 0%
No, just raise taxes and cut spending 22 73.33%
Yes, but it will not be called a bailout 8 26.67%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-16-2009, 03:15 PM
 
Location: SW MO Aux Arcs
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Is California defenseless? Why can't they patrol their own borders?
Because it's an international border and the responsibility is with the federal government. It would also be expensive.
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Old 06-16-2009, 03:16 PM
 
Location: SW MO Aux Arcs
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and that is why California is in so much trouble...libs will give anything away as long as it doesn't affect them....

Nita
What's worse, Nita, is that it DOES affect them and they do it anyway out of guilt and warm fuzzies.
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Old 06-16-2009, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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The problem is that if the taxpayers bail out CA this year to the tune of $24 billion dollars, what about next years budget? Do we simply continue to feed this monster. Surely they will not see the error of their ways and stop the spending.
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Old 06-16-2009, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Denver
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The problem is that if the taxpayers bail out CA this year to the tune of $24 billion dollars, what about next years budget? Do we simply continue to feed this monster. Surely they will not see the error of their ways and stop the spending.
Here we go again, same original question, same discussion.

The Fed should bail CA out, but just this once. CA has long been a donor where we get an .81 per $1 return on our taxes to the Fed. We have been bailing out Wisconsin et al...over these years, time for payback.

Just this once, but then our government needs to cut. If that means more homeless, well then I am sure they can open doors for a quarter outside of Longs.

Maybe we should see if Mexico wants to buy California?
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Old 06-16-2009, 03:42 PM
 
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Is California defenseless? Why can't they patrol their own borders?
That was proposed years ago by Diane Feinstein when she was Mayor of SF. It was deemed illegal; it is the job of the Feds to control the border.
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Old 06-16-2009, 04:21 PM
 
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Default Just this once!

No, they will bail out CA just this one time and never again!

It is similar to a person with a $3000 a month mortgage who is broke and gets bailed out by Mom and Dad for six months. But at the end of six months the mortgage is the same and person still makes only $2000 a month, what would they do?

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The problem is that if the taxpayers bail out CA this year to the tune of $24 billion dollars, what about next years budget? Do we simply continue to feed this monster. Surely they will not see the error of their ways and stop the spending.
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Here we go again, same original question, same discussion.

The Fed should bail CA out, but just this once. CA has long been a donor where we get an .81 per $1 return on our taxes to the Fed. We have been bailing out Wisconsin et al...over these years, time for payback.
Perhaps have the feds agree to spend all tax dollars coming from CA in CA?

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Maybe we should see if Mexico wants to buy California?
China would be a more likely buyer than Mexico, they own much of the state already....
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Raise taxes much higher and they will flea the state.
How many would leave? What percentage? 1 out of 5? 1 out of 10? 1 out of 100? 1 out of 500?

Raise state taxes how much higher? 5%? 20%, 25%? Big deal; that alone would drive you to pack up an leave?

With everything else being equal, how many people would pick up and move, away from their families, their jobs, their familiarity, the Southern California weather, simply due to higher state taxes?

I think people are leaving for other reasons (expensive housing, traffic, jobs, challenging environment to find good schools, etc.) Higher state taxes probably isn't in the top ten reasons for most people. How much would higher state taxes really have to go in order to affect your life in the overall scheme of things? Property taxes are dropping due to housing dropping. Federal is the same everywhere.

Same with the liberal versus conservative argument. How much difference does this really make? How does this really affect your life in the overall scheme of things?

It's not a philosophy question; It's a magnitude question.
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Here we go again, same original question, same discussion.

The Fed should bail CA out, but just this once. CA has long been a donor where we get an .81 per $1 return on our taxes to the Fed. We have been bailing out Wisconsin et al...over these years, time for payback.

Just this once, but then our government needs to cut. If that means more homeless, well then I am sure they can open doors for a quarter outside of Longs.

Maybe we should see if Mexico wants to buy California?
Sure and like I said, they will certainly be able to correct their past mistakes and stop the spending. Not. You will just keep bailing them out. Next year there will be another crisis. In fact I cant recall too many years of having a budget passed without threats. They simply kept borrowing money and raising taxes unil now, when the tax payers finally found the stones to say enough.
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Old 06-16-2009, 05:20 PM
 
Location: SW MO Aux Arcs
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With everything else being equal, how many people would pick up and move, away from their families, their jobs, their familiarity, the Southern California weather, simply due to higher state taxes?
I would and am. Being retired and planning to stay that way, considerably lower taxes were a large consideration in leaving California and had a lot to do with where we've chosen to end up.

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Same with the liberal versus conservative argument. How much difference does this really make? How does this really affect your life in the overall scheme of things?
Again, a lot. My wife and I worked legislation and politics for the state for a congregate 35 years and we know from personal experience how dysfunctional this state is politically and governmentally. We're also not in agreement with the direction in which it's heading. For the most part, extreme liberalism and "progressiveness" equates to higher taxes on those with decent incomes to give the money they've earned to those who haven't.

Not our idea of an equitable situation, especially when it's being done for votes, not for altruism.
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