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Old 06-26-2009, 12:28 PM
 
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wburg, you keep changing scenarios around to fit your argument. Should we be paying for a state of the art health facility for prisoners? Can't believe you would argue this point and is the problem we are having in CA. Do you think money grows on trees? We can't afford it. We don't have to vote on every single issue but we are entitled to make informed decisions about our money. CA can't afford all of its wishes, they have to be paid for in some way. Most of the wishes are a waist of money. Plain and simple. The state is in big trouble and needs to make adjustments to its model if it wants to come out of this mess sooner than later.
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Old 06-26-2009, 12:36 PM
 
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The governor of Colorado wants whole programs cut rather than cut funding too much for critical functions. Why aren't we hearing any of that here? Surely California has a lot more useless programs to cut than little ol' Colorado.

Ritter to departments: Kill whole programs - The Denver Post
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Old 06-26-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: SW MO Aux Arcs
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The governor of Colorado wants whole programs cut rather than cut funding too much for critical functions. Why aren't we hearing any of that here? Surely California has a lot more useless programs to cut than little ol' Colorado.

Ritter to departments: Kill whole programs - The Denver Post
One of the major problems is that many of the programs have been mandated by state and/or federal law or voted in by initiatives and many of the laws and mandates contain maintenance of effort clauses which preclude cuts or elimination. Some of the others would require a 2/3 vote of the Legislature (good luck) just to be placed on a ballot as well as the majority vote of the people in a statewide election.

This is all part and parcel of why California is ungovernable.
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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To all you geniuses who think you can balance the budget without seriously damaging basic necessities and destroying the state's businesses... I ask you to give it a try and post your brilliant combination of tax increases and budget cuts.

Here is a link to the LA Times budget calculator.
It lists the potential tax increases and budget items that are on the table.
State budget balancer - Los Angeles Times

I couldn't do it without damaging education, impacting basic living necessities, hurting businesses, raising taxes, or mortgaging the future.

Please list your ideal resulting solution.

It's simple. It's called Federal Bail-Out. Without the village idiot in office, this is possible, and you can bet that it will spur the economy into a positive direction. Next would be necessary to get rid of that unqualified Republican Neanderthal who is governor, then make sure that we don't put in the superficially attractive Newsom in office.

We must elect someone who is QUALIFIED to run the state, someone who won't run it into the ground like the Republicans have.
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:48 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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It's simple. It's called Federal Bail-Out. Without the village idiot in office, this is possible, and you can bet that it will spur the economy into a positive direction. Next would be necessary to get rid of that unqualified Republican Neanderthal who is governor, then make sure that we don't put in the superficially attractive Newsom in office.

We must elect someone who is QUALIFIED to run the state, someone who won't run it into the ground like the Republicans have.
A big part of the problem with this state are all the people who refuse to place any blame on democrats for this mess even though they have more power than republicans. Partisanship is ruining this state and BOTH democrats and republicans are to blame, the legislature is way too partisan.
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:11 PM
 
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It's simple. It's called Federal Bail-Out. Without the village idiot in office, this is possible, and you can bet that it will spur the economy into a positive direction. Next would be necessary to get rid of that unqualified Republican Neanderthal who is governor, then make sure that we don't put in the superficially attractive Newsom in office.

We must elect someone who is QUALIFIED to run the state, someone who won't run it into the ground like the Republicans have.
So we have a democrat controlled legislature, a RINO governor yet, and a left-leaning population yet somehow the nasty, evil republicans are to blame for all of California's problems.

Yes, lets just have Washington bail out Sacramento. Genius! That way, California can continue to be financially irresponsible and get the rest of the country to pay for it.

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Old 06-27-2009, 12:36 AM
 
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The governor of Colorado wants whole programs cut rather than cut funding too much for critical functions. Why aren't we hearing any of that here? Surely California has a lot more useless programs to cut than little ol' Colorado.

Ritter to departments: Kill whole programs - The Denver Post
It looks like cutting entire programs is a very good way to go -- when I started cutting, I started with cutting the oversight for fraud for the program which you can easily justify cutting if you then cut out the entire program.

Big cuts are the only way.
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Old 06-27-2009, 12:10 PM
 
Location: USA
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I cannot believe they tried to pass a $2 billion budget to build state of the art medical facilities for PRISONERS.... this just freakin blows my mind.

youve GOT to be kidding me...

Assembly approves budget package, but Schwarzenegger says he'll veto it - Los Angeles Times
Holy crap! Go Arnold!

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I think that web site is rigged. I took every cut and still had an $841M deficit.
Pretty much. Put in taxes and you are 18B in the positive, 23B with cuts, and 19B in new taxes. But this makes California an adult state with no possibility of education. Though, a lot of the books out in book stores are getting pretty good on high end subjects.

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Old 06-27-2009, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Police State
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Extraordinary circumstances, call for some potentially outlandish measures. People assume that the government should never have to do with less. Well, here's the problem, money is finite, therefore scarcity IS in fact a factor.

All the social services, private sector over-regulation, paying people for not working, a laissez-faire approach to illegal immigration, unsustainable salaries and benefits to public sector employees, and we wonder why the numbers aren't adding up?

YOU CAN NOT TAX THE PEOPLE ANYMORE. We are already overtaxed as it is.

Yes, as controversial as it is to the OP, some services are going to have to get cut. Perhaps MediCal needs to go buh-bye, MediCare already has this covered. We're already getting raped on this end. More entitlements are going to have to go. Cutting law enforcement? Talk about blackmailing. I love it when the government blantantly puts a gun to the people telling them to pony up or else.

How about cancelling the school year altogether? I see no reason why this isn't a solution.

There are frankly too many unrealistic people in our governement who simply don't comprehend basic arithmetic and fooishly believe we can litterally have it all.

Oh yeah, the sense of entitlement from the public sector is absurd.
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Old 06-27-2009, 01:42 PM
 
Location: SW MO Aux Arcs
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There are frankly too many unrealistic people in our governement who simply don't comprehend basic arithmetic and fooishly believe we can litterally have it all.

Oh yeah, the sense of entitlement from the public sector is absurd.
By "government" I assume you mean the Legislature an d in some cases, the Governor's Office. State government per se has recommended too many cuts of late and opposed too many bills with price tags attached to be accused of profligate spending. Believe it or not, state employees are capable of basic math at a minimum and recognize when the money just isn't there.

As for the sense of entitlement, whose? Be more specific! There's a difference between the public sector itself and the labor unions Jerry Brown and the Democrats have let take it over. Which are you referring to? The people who do the work or the union-owned and-operated Legislature that's given away the farm?
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