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Old 06-25-2009, 12:58 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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It was just a short trip to another state -- our first outside of California in far too many years. We drove from Sacramento to Klamath Falls, Oregon where we spent the night. The next morning we drove up to Crater Lake which I wanted my wife to see. Then it was down the opposite side of the mountain, north to a small town to spend an hour with my wife's cousin whom she hadn't seen in years followed by the 600+ mile trek back home.

We both had the same impressions of the differences between California and Oregon aside from the obvious that the Cascade Mountain areas are lusher and greener than northern California. The air is also cooler and, above all, noticibly cleaner, as were the roadways. The latter were also better maintained. It was smooth going the entire time we were there. In fa t, we found California embarassing. As soon as we entered the state and made our declaration of having no fruit in the car we started hitting road patches and rough spots in the pavement. Welcome to the most car-centric state in the Union -- the one with some of the worst roads.

Within a mile of entering Oregon, coming through the Tuke Lake area, we encountered two gun stores within the first mile. You mean the 2nd Amendment is alive and well in Oregon and real men can hunt and do outdoors things not involving working on their tans and showing off the latest fashions in clothes and dark glasses? What a concept. In fact, I don't recall seeing one metrosexual the whole time we were there.

People actually drive the speed limit there and not everyone seems to be in a rush to their own funeral. Most of them also use their turn indicators. Yet a mile or two into CA the SUVs were whizzing past us and weaving in-and-out, without signals, even when we were staying to the right and going the speed limit of 70. I guess all those drivers had important business to attend to. Pity! There were also spending an average of $.20+ more a gallon for all that gas they were wasting.

There were lots of bugs out on the way up and had I decided to get the car washed while in OR, it would have cost $18.95 for the same services that are $39.99 in Sacramento. We grew hungry on the way to my wife's cousin's home and stopped at a small deli to refuel ourselves. Two hefty deli sandwiches, a bag of good chips and a carton of milk came to $6.57. That's total, not per sandwich. You couldn't even come close here and for that amount at least one of you would have stayed hungry.

A brief respite from the heat, crowds, traffic and smog of Sacramento but very telling in the obvious differences. We both arrived home with a heightened awareness and renewed determination to move elsewhere. August can't come soon enough!
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Old 06-25-2009, 01:03 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Your comparison is mainly an urban vs rural one, not really a CA vs OR one. You could have just gone to the Redwood Coast of CA and made the same observations.

Also you need to shop around for a better deal on a car wash, I get my car washed and vacuumed for $12.

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Old 06-25-2009, 01:11 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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You're comparison is mainly an urban vs rural one, not really a CA vs OR one. You could have just gone to the Redwood Coast of CA and made the same observations.

Also you need to shop around for a better deal on a car wash, I get my car washed and vacuumed for $12.
Nope! The differences between rural northern California and rural southern Oregon were pronounced. Our last trip was up the Redwood Coast so we're familiar with how it differs from Sacramento.

All three full service car washes in and near downtown Sacramento run about the same.
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Old 06-25-2009, 01:43 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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We'll you see what you want to see. And considering all the anti-CA rants you post it doesn't surprise me one bit that you would see things this way w/o recognizing the obvious difference that you are comparing a rural area with a urban area. We all know CA is the ONLY place in America with heat, traffic, smog, and crowds. I mean no other state has areas like that at all. I heard they outlawed traffic and crowds in Portland so you won't find them their either.
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Old 06-25-2009, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Everything you stated about California is in direct relation to it being a more populous state that attracts people from everywhere to it, Oregon is awesome but doesn't have the same appeal.

California has pot holes, correlates to cars, correlates to more people.
California has higher prices, correlates to more people.
California is tight on guns because it has gang problems, correlates to more people.


Like Sav is saying, why don't you compare Sacramento to Portland or Bend?
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Old 06-25-2009, 01:59 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Like Sav is saying, why don't you compare Sacramento to Portland or Bend?
Because I wasn't comparing southern Oregon to Sacramento. I was comparing northern California to southern Oregon.

Strange as it may seem, I do know the difference between an urban environment and a rural one and I also know there is no comparisopn to be had.

Perhaps Sav missed the part where I said we drove from Sacramento. That means we were no longer in it and in no way was I comparing Klamath Falls to Sacramento.

It's all simply one man's opinion anyway.
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Wayward Pines,ID
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Your observation was identical to mine. Instantly noted differences when crossing border on the 97. Maintenance of roads and cleanliness of restrooms are quite obvious. Maybe in Oregon they actually use the money earmarked FOR roads ON roads.
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Old 06-25-2009, 03:26 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Because I wasn't comparing southern Oregon to Sacramento. I was comparing northern California to southern Oregon.
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A brief respite from the heat, crowds, traffic and smog of Sacramento but very telling in the obvious differences. !
Okay, I guess that's not a comparison there. But keep telling yourself whatever you need to, you seem to do a good job at that.
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Old 06-25-2009, 03:27 PM
 
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I've never paid even $18.99 for a car was let alone $39.99. I'm not saying things aren't bad here, but I think you're blowing things out of proportion.
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Old 06-25-2009, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Long Beach, CA
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Car wash here - $8.00 on Ladies Day, which is every Wednesday. The price includes vacumming and it is NOT a "do-it-yourself" car wash
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