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Old 07-14-2009, 12:39 PM
 
Location: California
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I've lived in the Bay Area my entire life. Yes I've seen changes and not all have been good, but I've been fortunate and wouldn't leave unless I was forced to for economic reasons. I understand why people who have been priced out are bitter about things.

 
Old 07-14-2009, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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hey destroycreate ... I am a patriotic native Californian who believes in American exceptionalism.

Got a problem with that?
what is american exceptionalism please?
 
Old 07-14-2009, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Sacramento, Ca
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what is american exceptionalism please?

Link!
 
Old 07-14-2009, 01:46 PM
 
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Yes I do, because you weren't supposed to be born here. I believe it was Mississipi that was your calling.
40 years ago you could tell who the native Californians were versus the Greenhorns from back east. The natives were the ones with lots of guns.
 
Old 07-14-2009, 01:51 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Thanks JetJockey. To be honest, my post was misinterpreted. It wasn't bashing people who moved elsewhere or who were struggling to pay rents, but merely stating that I was tired of people complaining about CA constantly and not looking at the positives in it, and admitting there are reasons worth staying in CA and they require sacrifices.

Everybody is right. I'm sure if I had a big family and lived in the suburbs it would be different, but at the moment, I love CA and there's the pro's just outweigh the con's too much for me to be able to move to Plano, Texas for supposedly better pastures.
It would be very different and quite frankly, given that choice I'd stay put too. California decidedly has a lot to recommend it and is unique among the states in many good ways. Your productive years are just beginning and your earning years as well. Remember that many of us are far beyond that point, retired and leaving to capitalize on our retirement dollars because they're limited.

We will leave with some regrets. We will also leave with many fond memories. You have many decades to make yours. Our time is finite.

Best of luck!
 
Old 07-14-2009, 02:01 PM
 
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California tends to be defined by its cities, but an awful lot of California is not city. Half the fresh fruit and vegetables in the country comes from California, along with a good chunk of its dairy (let the "fruits and nuts" jokes begin.) That means farms, and farmers, and farm towns. And then there's the large chunk of California that is still wilderness, with humanity's outposts tiny specks on a dramatic and dominating landscape.

I like California not just because of its interesting and lively cities but also because of its equally interesting if sleepy small towns. On one weekend I can take a trip to San Francisco and see tall buildings, and the next weekend I can drive out into the hinterlands and see small-town America, California style. Good eating is as near as the closest farm stand or small-town diner, and entertainment more about breathtaking natural vistas than Broadway-quality shows. A lot of folks from the middle parts of the country whose only experience with California is what they see on TV would feel right at home in small-town California.
 
Old 07-14-2009, 02:33 PM
 
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40 years ago you could tell who the native Californians were versus the Greenhorns from back east. The natives were the ones with lots of guns.
Even as recently as the early 80s, I can still recall seeing pickups with gun racks being utilized, in the SF burbs.
 
Old 07-14-2009, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Oh boo-hoo. You can't have your rifle to go out and shoot innocent animals?

If you want NASCAR, head to the South.
Peel off your blinders. You seem to have a preset opinion of people who still love CA but see the problems it faces and how much trouble it is in. Perhaps people living in the burbs do so because of the inner city crime? I do not hunt, hate hunting, love animals and do not love NASCAR. Stay in your gummy little crime ridden apartment complex and tell yourself how cool you are. We left CA 4 years ago and sadly can not return in our lifetime and we took our cool with us.
 
Old 07-14-2009, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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It would be very different and quite frankly, given that choice I'd stay put too. California decidedly has a lot to recommend it and is unique among the states in many good ways. Your productive years are just beginning and your earning years as well. Remember that many of us are far beyond that point, retired and leaving to capitalize on our retirement dollars because they're limited.

We will leave with some regrets. We will also leave with many fond memories. You have many decades to make yours. Our time is finite.

Best of luck!
It really was the most beautiful state in the union. I do hope I live long enough to see it bounce back.
 
Old 07-14-2009, 03:08 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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It really was the most beautiful state in the union. I do hope I live long enough to see it bounce back.
Chances are I won't live that long and even if I do, it will be priced out of our reach.
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