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View Poll Results: When will the California Economy turn around?
Already picking up 17 17.71%
6 months 1 1.04%
1 year 9 9.38%
1 1/2 years 5 5.21%
2 years 9 9.38%
more than 2 years 55 57.29%
Voters: 96. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-23-2009, 12:08 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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More than you think but they're all in the Bay Area.

Re: SoCal, there are very few who still have their HQ's there.
What are you talking about? There are still plenty of major companies with headquarters in Southern CA.

Fortune 500 2009: States: California Companies - FORTUNE on CNNMoney.com
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Old 07-23-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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So sad that most of the respondents think pot is the miracle answer.
It IS sad, considering that cigarettes are obviously on the way towards being banned (which I predict in 20 years). All the federal tax on cigarettes will be an exhorbitant loss. Maybe then will pot be legalized ~ and nationally ~ only to recover some of that tax. And it would be interesting to see the repercussions out there about marijuana smoke.

There are many causes for California's economic crisis, based primarly on greed (housing costs, as an example). But you can't have loose borders allowing floods of illegals and expect the healthcare system, and welfare system, to not buckle under the weight.
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:50 PM
 
Location: United States
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I started to watch my spending sometime last year. Have all of you cut back on your spending, or at least look long and hard before buying something? Have you refused to pay full retail for an item, waiting to buy on sale, coupons, or ask for a discount? Since the consumer is 66% of the US economy, it will be hard for us to pull out of the recession if everyone is cutting back.
Dude I have been doing that my whole life! That's what being poor is all about. In my area I am looked at as hi-tech because I have that fancy internet! Can I have some bread and water please?
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Old 07-23-2009, 09:02 PM
 
Location: In The Outland
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Legalize pot for the tax and get rid of the greedy a$$ unions. Save your state and stop the brain drain or watch California go down the tubes even further.
I loved the photo of your governator holding the Crocodile Dundee knife I saw on the news, I wonder if it was made in Pakistan !
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Old 07-23-2009, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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There should have been a "never" or "not in my life time" option.

I really don't know what is going to drive growth in California anytime soon. California politicians don't know how to run a state that is not growing, the transition between a growing "frontier" state to an established state with no or little population growth is going to be painful given the kick the can policies that have been implemented over the last 1-2 decades.
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Old 07-23-2009, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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There are many causes for California's economic crisis, based primarly on greed (housing costs, as an example). But you can't have loose borders allowing floods of illegals and expect the healthcare system, and welfare system, to not buckle under the weight.
The immigration situation is really just a scapegoat as far as the state's problems go. Although, there are certainly costs involved they are not as high as some people would like to believe as they are paying a number of taxes while living here (fuel taxes, sale taxes, often income taxes etc).

I doubt there is even significant money to be saved here, as increasing enforcement and better protecting the borders will cost a lot (although, spending it on this will result in a safer country). But I think the federal government should be largely responsible for this, sorta pointless for California to spend big bucks when another state does not.

By the way over the last few years the number of people coming to California has dramatically decreased. Where as the number of people leaving has stated the same, the state is the closest to having balanced immigration with Mexican than has been seen in decades.
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Old 07-24-2009, 05:16 AM
 
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Has anyone done an analysis of the education attainment levels of the population of California in comparison to 10-20-30 years ago? I think it would be an indication of the impact of the millions of the illegal aliens who have moved into the State. With present trends there will not be enough educated middle class in the State to maintain prosperity.

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The immigration situation is really just a scapegoat as far as the state's problems go. Although, there are certainly costs involved they are not as high as some people would like to believe as they are paying a number of taxes while living here (fuel taxes, sale taxes, often income taxes etc).

I doubt there is even significant money to be saved here, as increasing enforcement and better protecting the borders will cost a lot (although, spending it on this will result in a safer country). But I think the federal government should be largely responsible for this, sorta pointless for California to spend big bucks when another state does not.

By the way over the last few years the number of people coming to California has dramatically decreased. Where as the number of people leaving has stated the same, the state is the closest to having balanced immigration with Mexican than has been seen in decades.
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Old 07-24-2009, 06:27 AM
 
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And another thing that occurred to me...we need to position ourselves to sell high-end products and services that we can provide that our competitors can't due to being bogged down with legislative mandates in their countries. For example, we currently have excellent healthcare in this country and people from allover the world -- especially those from countries with socialized medicine -- flock here to get, because there's no need to wait in line and they can get those procedures done immediately and safely -- for a price, of course! I realize this is being done already on an informal basis (I know people who have travelled to the Mayo Clinic numerous times from S. America, for example), but this service should be taken seriously as a major export. Also think of the trickle down effect on tourism wherever the hospital/specialist is located!
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Old 07-24-2009, 04:09 PM
 
Location: In The Outland
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Wink Vote yes on proposition H !!!

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There should have been a "never" or "not in my life time" option. I really don't know what is going to drive growth in California anytime soon. California politicians don't know how to run a state that is not growing, the transition between a growing "frontier" state to an established state with no or little population growth is going to be painful given the kick the can policies that have been implemented over the last 1-2 decades.
Folks need to be very thoughtful, serious and mature when choosing who to vote for.
The first step would be to get a proposition H on the ballot and vote it in. That way you'll have a little soothing relief from the reaming after the election goes away !
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Old 07-24-2009, 10:13 PM
 
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I say 4-5 years.
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