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Old 07-30-2009, 09:55 PM
 
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More claim to the USA? They could only be USA Americans since 1850 when California became a state, which is less time in the USA than many other families. There were British and Germans from the very start of the USA.
yes native americans do have more claim to this land than europeans, as you recall they came over here uninvited, just as you say the hispanics did.

 
Old 07-30-2009, 09:58 PM
 
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ONE HEART * ONE LOVE * ONE WORLD

Perhaps if we hold that attitude and collectively clear the emotions of fear, resentment and hatred, we'll be better able to deal skillfully and objectively with the logistics involved in resolving the immigrations issues.
I'm an idealist.
What can i say?
The Mexican influence in California is part of what makes it California.
And the land of this country was stolen from the American Indians, remember?
If you hold to the history that suits and supports you, don't you have to go back a bit further and acknowledge the prior history?
C'mon.
Change or die out.
The world can't sustain these old attitudes and paradigms any longer.


good post you are right coyote
 
Old 07-30-2009, 09:59 PM
 
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yes native americans do have more claim to this land than europeans, as you recall they came over here uninvited, just as you say the hispanics did.
Although there's some evidence that ancient Europeans and even Australians landed in the Western Hemisphere before the Asians that would become "Native Americans". How far back do you want to go?
 
Old 07-30-2009, 11:06 PM
 
Location: In a Lonely Place
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Although there's some evidence that ancient Europeans and even Australians landed in the Western Hemisphere before the Asians that would become "Native Americans". How far back do you want to go?
I say we go back to the beginning, to the time before the "native Americans" wandered over here from Asia and there was no one on this continent.

After the non-native "natives" got here, they immediately proceeded to spend the next several millennia butchering one another. Yeah, they were pretty damn noble.

Finally, because nature abhors a vacuum, European immigrants started showing up and finally began to make something out of the Americas.

Use it or lose it, I've always said.
 
Old 07-31-2009, 10:30 AM
 
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I say we go back to the beginning, to the time before the "native Americans" wandered over here from Asia and there was no one on this continent.

After the non-native "natives" got here, they immediately proceeded to spend the next several millennia butchering one another. Yeah, they were pretty damn noble.

Finally, because nature abhors a vacuum, European immigrants started showing up and finally began to make something out of the Americas.

Use it or lose it, I've always said.
So - we are all the descendants of immigrants and immigrants made the US what it is - whether white, black, hispanic, latino, asian, etc. Our culture and our foods are based on some derivation or blend of our roots with the current modern world.

America - gotta love it! If not - go home. If we can only remember where home is . . .
 
Old 08-02-2009, 12:35 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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As for me I am a native born Californian. My wife also is a native born Californian although some people have accused her of being Mexican. Why is it that no one accuses me of being European? I could just see it now;

"Hey aren't you from Germany?

No I am from California.

You look like you are from Germany. Im Going to keep my eye on you. Dang immigrants. Trying to take over the place.

Look man I don't know why you think im an immigrant. I was born here. I am a US citizen that was born and raised in California. Ive never even been to Germany.

Look dude all I know is you look like a German or some other European Immigrant. You guys come here, buy up our land and homes, take our jobs, and import your own cars. Like we would buy a car made in Germany. That would be almost as bad as buying a car from Japan. Who would ever do that?
 
Old 08-02-2009, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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I think practically every state has its share of Hispanics. I've met several illegals that had settled first in MICHIGAN before migrating to Oregon. And the density probably varies in states, too. Here in Oregon, they're mostly in certain Portland suburbs. LOTS of them. I believe the last stat I read for the town I live in was 19% ~ but that is the census figure for LEGAL immigants. And in parts of Eastern Oregon, as well (farming).

Saw a surprising amount of Mexicans/Central Americans in New York City last fall.

I don't know what's with that Hispanic Origins map shown above but I'm not buying what I see on it.
The census doesn't differentiate between citizens and non-citizens, the census is a count of residents, which includes illegal immigrants.

Why don't you "buy" the map?

.................................................. .........

FWIW, both my mother (white, non-hispanic) and father (hispanic) were born in California. All of my mother's ancestors were born in the U.S. as far back as I can easily trace, with the exception of my great-great grandmother who was born in Mexico sometime in the late 1800s. My grandfather (father's father) was born in Mexico and entered the US sometime between his birth in 1911 and my father's birth in 1945. His wife (my father's mother) was born in New Mexico sometime in the 1910's/1920's.

So no, not even I, a native-born Californian can trace back 150+ years to when CA was owned by Mexico. I can say for certain, that at least one branch of my family has been in CA since the 1920's.
 
Old 08-03-2009, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
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one thing i've noticed about california, it's cities in particular, is the high number of hispanics living in them. I guess much of that is from immigration.

However, when i've visited reno, nevada, it seemed like everyone there was white people. Literally i only saw whites in the casinos, but i did spot one chinese driving around i think, but that was the only minority i saw.

My question: Is california the only state with such a higher number of hispanics? What about states like oregon, montana, missouri or wisconsion?
texas!!!
 
Old 08-03-2009, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Originally Posted by coyoteskye View Post
ONE HEART * ONE LOVE * ONE WORLD

Perhaps if we hold that attitude and collectively clear the emotions of fear, resentment and hatred, we'll be better able to deal skillfully and objectively with the logistics involved in resolving the immigrations issues.
I'm an idealist.
What can i say?
The Mexican influence in California is part of what makes it California.
And the land of this country was stolen from the American Indians, remember?
If you hold to the history that suits and supports you, don't you have to go back a bit further and acknowledge the prior history?
C'mon.
Change or die out.
The world can't sustain these old attitudes and paradigms any longer.


And the (White) Hispanics stole the land from the Aztecs, etc. in what is now Mexico.............even earlier, the Aztecs subjugated the weaker 'native' tribes.
 
Old 08-03-2009, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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"Hispanic" is a government term used to group all people of "Hispania" or Spain decent into the same category. Many Latinos actually find it offensive.
And quite a few 'Hispanics' are Nordic White due to their ancestors coming from Germany, Scandinavia, Ireland, the UK and even Spain-----------not all Latinos are short, dark skinned Mestizos. The difference is the former group do not stand out unless speaking Spanish.
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