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Old 08-29-2009, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Hills & Hollers of the Aux Arcs
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There is truth in it, if you want to be more California-specific the Manson murders probably singled the beginning of the end of the golden years.That's what put the fear into people big time. Later on, Prop 13, crack and AIDS in the '80s were major factors in the decline of California's greatness
Let's not overlook such events as the entire "Summer of Love" and it's continuing aftermath, off-shoring, the "digital age" and it's impact on how people communicate with one another and term limits.
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Old 08-29-2009, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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The 1970s was one of the most ideal times in history: After the pill, and before AIDS.

Anything goes.
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Old 08-29-2009, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Which took place in Petaluma, which is in Northern California....

But that brings up that prior to the early '90s SoCal and NorCal were economically equal. The early 90s recession seemed to be the determining factor in the subsequent economic dominance of NorCal and economic decline of SoCal.



The late '90s were a pretty pleasant time in L.A. - the world economic boom had finally hit SoCal and the real estate bubble hadn't occurred yet. OTOH, 2005 was a crappy year, just not as crappy as the years since. Every year of the 21st century has been progressively worse (although even now CA, including SoCal, has good aspects).



The Reagan Recession was almost as bad as the current one, but in that recession California played the role of Texas in the current recession. We were less affected than other states.

And we did have our share of problems - see a post I did in the Nostalgia thread quoting a nostalgia blog about how L.A. got progressively worse as the '70s progressed, and people were complaining about most of the exact same problems in the late '70s as today (except for instead of blaming Latinos they were blaming African-Americans). Admittedly said problems were less severe than they got later.




There is truth in it, if you want to be more California-specific the Manson murders probably singled the beginning of the end of the golden years.That's what put the fear into people big time. Later on, Prop 13, crack and AIDS in the '80s were major factors in the decline of California's greatness
I agree with much of what you are saying. I never thought about the Manson Murders, but it did have an inpact, of course the Manson family was a product of drugs and a changing society that probably started with the deminstartions on college campuses, worse in Ca than most places, add Haight Asbury to the scene. Much of what happened in California really was a reflection of the 60s period.

As for prop 13, I don't know if this was good or bad, it certainly seemed right at the time. I really do not know how much it has influenced what has happened, but that might be a totally different thread, one we have probably beat to death by now.

The later 80s and 90s were good for Calif because of the esculation in property values, the biggest problem with that: too many took advantage of the equipty in thier homes, refinanced, took all their money, spent it and now can't sell for what they owe.

Now, you are to the left of center and I am to the right, why are we mostly agreeing on this???

Nita
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Old 08-29-2009, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Hills & Hollers of the Aux Arcs
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Now, you are to the left of center and I am to the right, why are we mostly agreeing on this???

Nita
Brain fart!
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:07 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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Let's keep in mind that much of California has been well settled for 5 to 7 generations now. For Californians who live in such places, there is no "California dream" - there is only home. Those of us who call California home wish the "California dream" would just go away.
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Brain fart!
well that plus he and I do agree on a few things once in awhile and when we don't he isn't obnoxious (spelling) like some others..

Nita
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Old 08-29-2009, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Let's keep in mind that much of California has been well settled for 5 to 7 generations now. For Californians who live in such places, there is no "California dream" - there is only home. Those of us who call California home wish the "California dream" would just go away.
Yeah, and i imagine that those that were here first (long before your generations) wish the dream never happened.
That's something else to keep in mind.
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Monterey County, CA
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Let's keep in mind that much of California has been well settled for 5 to 7 generations now. For Californians who live in such places, there is no "California dream" - there is only home. Those of us who call California home wish the "California dream" would just go away.
Yes, thats true for us. California has and always will be home. There is no dreaming necessary, just living the everyday life. With the majority of friends and family here, combined with the mild weather, recreactional, professional, educational and other opportunities there no reason to go east or anywhere else for that matter. And I think it is that way for the majority of Californians, not of course representative of this forum which focusing more on leaving or coming to CA.

As the state with the largest population in the nation it really represents the American story with good weather and I'll add a coastline, the High Sierras, the Redwoods and the desert.

With 36 million ppl you are going to have every kind of story imaginable - from dreams to nightmares but mostly simply living life. For many who still enjoy the state its the best place to be even during rocky times such as these. For others its time to move on and experience life in another part of the country where housing costs are lower and ppl or fewer and further in between. Its not a one size fits all place thats for sure. But it can be an awesome place to live still. I know we are fully enjoying it.

Some recent shots from life in Monterey:








Sunset last night:




Derek

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Old 08-31-2009, 01:13 PM
 
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Khali-porn-yahh dreeem-ink?


...that would have to be a blonde girl/slave locked in my back yard...living in a tent...for 18 years....baby factory.....and daft overpaid politically correct parole officers who don't notice anything out of the ordinary.....about a convicted sex offender (who has precious rights that need to be maintained...) having dirty blonde girls wandering around an overgrown yard listless and robotic....

"nope nope...nothin' to see here ossifer....jus' keep on movin'.....yup....keep on movin'....."

....and so much for the stupid "high tech" solution of an ankle tracking device....

...no wait...cali...Thats CALI..... dreamin'....that would be a half-way clean and vermin free blanket by the over pass near Third and Howard....

no no.....a clean needle in the Lower Haight.....with a lifetime supply of free 100% pure SMACK!!!!

oh oh oh! No!.....it would be the World Naked Bike Ride that never ended!...And no seats on the bikes!.....YIKES!

oh no...it would be the biggest d/i/l/d/o/e in existence being put to good use during the Folsom Street Fair....eeeee......and hoards of yuppies who bring their fashion statement kids along to get a full deep and wide multi-cult-urea-al experience.....

how about strange not-legal-resident men holding their babies by the legs and smashing them to death on I-5.....in front of dozens of witnesses....

the list goes on......

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Old 08-31-2009, 03:33 PM
 
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Let's keep in mind that much of California has been well settled for 5 to 7 generations now. For Californians who live in such places, there is no "California dream" - there is only home. Those of us who call California home wish the "California dream" would just go away.
The Legislature seems intent on granting your wish....
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