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Old 08-28-2009, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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What's really bad is if all you know how to do is "build cars", you are going to have a hard time trying to to transistion in an environment that is geared towards technology and computers. One guy on tv said, "I am a Blue Collar worker, I have no idea how to work on a computer..what am I going to do?". Jobs aren't loyal like they use to be to my parents 25 yrs ago.
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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It will be interesting to see if Toyota announces the closure of any other US plants. Can it be that CA will be the only state to suffer a closure?
Toyota to Close Union Plant in California - NYTimes


Toyota Boosts Alabama Plant - WSJ.com

Toyota to hire 240 in Huntsville to boost engine plant - Business News from The Birmingham News - al.com
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Old 08-28-2009, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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Maybe they are closing the plant in California because it's unionized and the one in Alabama isn't. The unions are their own worst enemies.
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Old 08-28-2009, 02:05 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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What's really bad is if all you know how to do is "build cars", you are going to have a hard time trying to to transistion in an environment that is geared towards technology and computers. One guy on tv said, "I am a Blue Collar worker, I have no idea how to work on a computer..what am I going to do?". Jobs aren't loyal like they use to be to my parents 25 yrs ago.
You're right. They're not and more's the pity. Unfortunately, the flip side of the coin is that employees aren't either. Many new ones come in with entitlement attitudes, thanks, no doubt, to helicopter parents, and leave the job within a very few years because they expected to be running it by then.

In a case like you cited, the workers are going to have to consider either retraining/education or going where the jobs moved. Neither is easy when you've reached a certain age or stage in your career.
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Old 08-28-2009, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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Another company pulling up stakes and closing their California plant.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BU6919EL3P.DTL (broken link)

Easy to rationalize and say the economy is at fault.
I think much of the economy crash is the opposite. In the 90's is when the rash of manufacturing jobs picked up and moved to 3rd World countries, and it continues to do so. And I just can't see our current situation improving as it should with so many jobs going elsewhere.

What chaps my ass is to see triple-digit prices on athletic shoes when they are made in a 3rd World country for pennies. Maidenform moved their operation several years ago, but the prices for their bras certainly haven't dropped.
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Old 08-28-2009, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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What chaps my ass is to see triple-digit prices on athletic shoes when they are made in a 3rd World country for pennies.
I remember a snippett from an ethics class I took. I forget the details but one year Michael Jordan made more money advertising Nike shoes than all the people combined who manufactured them.
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:57 PM
 
Location: RSM
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I remember a snippett from an ethics class I took. I forget the details but one year Michael Jordan made more money advertising Nike shoes than all the people combined who manufactured them.
Which is why I buy Starbury's for basketball. Doesn't get much better than 15$ hightops and 10$ walking shoes
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Another company pulling up stakes and closing their California plant.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BU6919EL3P.DTL (broken link)

Easy to rationalize and say the economy is at fault. But considering the attitude towards industry in Sacramento one wonders if Toyota would have hung on in a different political environment. Maybe they did not want to try to run a factory under the 20% carbon dioxide reduction mandate?

Thinking of moving to CA. Be sure you have a good job locked up before you come.
second thread about the Nummi Plant today

The plant was a joint venture Toyota and GM. It was the property of Pontiac which ceased to exist in the GM Bankruptcy and had nothing to do with anything else
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Old 08-28-2009, 06:25 PM
 
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A: Technically, it is Auto Liquidation Co. (Old GM - not new GM) and Toyota's plant.
B: It is the only Toyota plant that is union. They have been looking for a way to get out and now they have it.
C: Most suppliers are in the Great Lakes area, and costs too much to ship to California.
D: Union costs and supplier costs make it prohibitive to make a profit at NUMMI. Toyota is already losing billions.
E: I am already laid off from a supplier to GM with no chance for recall, in a location with worse economy than California (Youngstown OH, with 17% unemployment) so, yes, I know what those employees are in for.
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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Another company pulling up stakes and closing their California plant.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BU6919EL3P.DTL (broken link)

Easy to rationalize and say the economy is at fault. But considering the attitude towards industry in Sacramento one wonders if Toyota would have hung on in a different political environment. Maybe they did not want to try to run a factory under the 20% carbon dioxide reduction mandate?

Thinking of moving to CA. Be sure you have a good job locked up before you come.
Could not find the article but I heard today that Toyota is reopening the plant in TX. This is the last of the auto plants to leave CA. There are no more and it is over. A real shame.
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