Economist Article about Californians Leaving (Los Angeles, San Diego: construction, beach, estimates)

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by mom2redheads

Well, I hope they keep coming..I want to leave and I want to sell my house!

you and my brother..He will be retiring any day now or certainly in the next 6 months or so, it changes everyday as the city of Los Angeles can't make up their mind what to offer some of these early (slightly early) possible retirees. One day it is one thing, the next something totally different.

That is another story, he worries about selling his home and getting enough to make his more to No AZ.

Nita

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by humboldtrat

They'll still keep coming. Too many people have been brain-washed by TV and movies in believing California is a laid-back land of milk and honey where everything is possible and all your dreams will come true. As long as they can live by the beach.

When I moved to California 31 years ago; it was indeed the 'land of milk and honey' compared to Wash DC.

Today; I have my doubts, to be polite (just that DC has become much worse so Calif still would win hands down by default).

[10,000Lakes]

LOL!! Wait until January comes around. This forum will be flooded with people from the northeast, midwest that are so sick of grey cold skies they will consider making the move!!

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by 10,000Lakes

LOL!! Wait until January comes around. This forum will be flooded with people from the northeast, midwest that are so sick of grey cold skies they will consider making the move!!

Perhaps, but not all of us. I weathered three winters in Minnesota, two on the Korean DMZ and several in other states and countries with harsh winters. I will welcome the return to a land of four seasons.

Being retired and not HAVING to go out helps!

[10,000Lakes]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Perhaps, but not all of us. I weathered three winters in Minnesota, two on the Korean DMZ and several in other states and countries with harsh winters. I will welcome the return to a land of four seasons.

Being retired and not HAVING to go out helps!

HAHA! I hear ya!! Did many winters as well. I guess I was just trying to say, that people here always post news stories about how all these people are fleeing CA, for MANY of the reasons on this forum...but California will never be affodable and never not overpopulated.....ever...millions can leave and it still won't.

[stan in san diego]

Originally Posted by Mach50

Not if they read this forum. The negativity spews from the keyboards and becomes typeset in every post!

I agree to some degree though, California is not going to make you a better person.

Speak for yourself...it made me and mine better, much better.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

"The poorest Californians, those paying very little in taxes, are the most likely to leave the state: 1.73 households are leaving for every one that arrives. Among the richest, only 1.09 households are leaving for each arrival."

As I have written before, the new "in" groups are pushing out those of more modest means.

In groups:
- Hyper educated whites (and people of color who are "honorary whites") from the East Coast
- Foreigners working for multinationals
- Foreigners involved in start ups and Web 2.0
- People from the upper classes of the 3rd world
- and, an underclass, mostly of Latin American origin, doing the jobs the above do not want to / don't have time to do

Out groups:
- Middle and lower class whites
- Native born people of color who have not somehow joined one of the "in" groups

It's a sad thing to behold.

[RobE]

Florida had an outmigration of 50,000 recently, the first time that has happened since the early post-WWII days.

Salient bit:

"The latest population numbers back up a trend noted earlier by the U.S. census. Using estimates through July 2008, the federal government said Florida had a net loss of 9,286 domestic residents. If it hadn't been for 77,427 immigrants, mainly from Latin America, the state's population would have fallen last year.

Those immigrants haven't shown up in the same numbers this year, Denslow said. Not only have thousands of Mexican construction workers left, but Colombians who fled violence and instability in their county in the 1980s and '90s have been returning to South America."

Obviously, this isn't anywhere near California's outmigration numbers, but CA also isn't the only state losing population.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by RobE

Florida had an outmigration of 50,000 recently, the first time that has happened since the early post-WWII days.

Salient bit:

"The latest population numbers back up a trend noted earlier by the U.S. census. Using estimates through July 2008, the federal government said Florida had a net loss of 9,286 domestic residents. If it hadn't been for 77,427 immigrants, mainly from Latin America, the state's population would have fallen last year.

Those immigrants haven't shown up in the same numbers this year, Denslow said. Not only have thousands of Mexican construction workers left, but Colombians who fled violence and instability in their county in the 1980s and '90s have been returning to South America."

Obviously, this isn't anywhere near California's outmigration numbers, but CA also isn't the only state losing population.

Rob, you are right, we just got the info about Florida on the internet a day or so ago. I guess those from south of the border that are returning is a good thing, If you look at both Florida and CA you can see a lot of similarities in the states.

Nita

[jbunniii]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

It's a sad thing to behold.

Why sad? What you have described is essentially a meritocracy, which is no bad thing. If more people want to live in a region than there is room/housing for, then what alternate mechanism other than price would you recommend for sorting out who gets to stay and who has to go? (Although, to level the playing field, both Proposition 13 and rent control should be repealed.)

Much worse, in my opinion, was the practice over the past decade of giving unsustainable loans to a lot of reckless borrowers of insufficient means, which drove up prices for everyone else and then caused the financial mess that the entire world now finds itself in. At least the rich foreigners aren't the ones defaulting en masse on their mortgage obligations, leaving the rest of us to pay the bill.