08-08-2013, 01:55 PM
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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... think that (some) city people should not go to places Like Yosemite or the National Forest.
Lawsuit Filed Over Camp Tawonga Death
Tuolumne County, CA -- A lawsuit has been filed following the death of a camp counselor at Camp Tawonga.
The Jewish youth camp is located in Tuolumne County, just outside of Yosemite National Park. As reported previously, 21-year-old Annais Rittenberg was killed on July 3rd when a tree crashed onto power lines and camp benches. Four additional camp employees were injured.
Lawsuit Filed Over Camp Tawonga Death - myMotherLode.com
The wooods and wild places are not Disneyland. Some city folk don't seem to understand that. I do find it interesting they are sueing PG&E. Deep Pocket$
08-08-2013, 02:53 PM
Location: Declezville, CA
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Far be it from me to notice stereotypes or anything... *cough*
08-08-2013, 03:50 PM
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08-08-2013, 04:23 PM
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Mr5150
... think that (some) city people should not go to places Like Yosemite or the National Forest.
It was a kids' summer camp. And you're blaming the accident on the kids being "city people"??!
...whatever.
08-08-2013, 05:04 PM
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It was a kids' summer camp. And you're blaming the accident on the kids being "city people"??!
...whatever.
Maybe he is saying their lack of understanding the risks of being in nature and the resulting lawsuit mean they shouldn't be out there.
08-08-2013, 05:06 PM
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zombocom
Maybe he is saying their lack of understanding the risks of being in nature and the resulting lawsuit mean they shouldn't be out there.
And that is the problem. The camp should not have been near the lines as children would not understand the danger associated with such and the adults in charge should have. Trees do fall and adults know that and what it can mean.
If it was just a tree falling, that is nature, if a power line is near, that is man's doing and a different level of danger and notice should have been taken of it.
08-08-2013, 05:18 PM
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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zombocom
Maybe he is saying their lack of understanding the risks of being in nature and the resulting lawsuit mean they shouldn't be out there.
The best way to get an understanding of nature is to...um...be in nature. These were kids, so the adults in charge were responsible and failed. Unless the parents signed some sort of waiver stating; "in the event your child does such and such, we are not responsible", and I highly doubt any parent would. The camp is responsible, period!
08-08-2013, 05:19 PM
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Ruth4Truth
It was a kids' summer camp. And you're blaming the accident on the kids being "city people"??!
...whatever.
Yes! They caused the tree to fall on themselves.
If they were locals the tree would not have fallen.
I think you need to read the OP and article.
1. Tree falls on camp counselor and she is killed
2. Some city people view the real world of nature in the same way as they view Disneyland
3. These people decided that an Act of God is some sort of negligence-as if this is on the same level as getting hurt on a ride in Disneyland
4. They sue
5. Since you can't sue God, they decide to sue to local power company
.
There, now I've spelled it out. You should read the comments by the locals list in the link. Here are three;
News flash city folks! This is nature, not Disneyland! There are dangers that are present that can't always be controlled. To sue over an accident like this seems ridiculous. They are called accidents for a reason!
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It has been said before and several times here, but worth repeating. The forest is not Disneyland. Things happen up here. There is no guarantee of safety, which is an illusion anyways. You take a risk getting up in the morning. You take many risks going to work or school. The forest is a wild place. There are no safety nets, no lifeguards standing around. I understand that the parents are upset. Anyone in their shoes would be, but it was an accident. A tragic accident and nothing more. My heart goes out to these people, but I feel that their anger is misplaced and no amount of cash will bring their child back
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It is one thing to be grieving and upset... that I get. Its another thing to sue over a freak act of nature. If the tree was a danger then we better cut down every single tree that is in range of a building. And people wonder why we mtn people dont like city people...here ya go...
08-08-2013, 05:28 PM
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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And that is the problem. The camp should not have been near the lines as children would not understand the danger associated with such and the adults in charge should have. Trees do fall and adults know that and what it can mean.
I disagree. The camp was "near power lines" because it had electricity-for lighting heating and all the usual reasons. The were the lines that ran to the camp buildings. Same as the lines that run to your house.
Trees fall for many reasons and it is not the resposibility or fault of anyone in this case. How does one know when a 100 foot oak, that looked health was going to snap in two?
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Gentoo
The best way to get an understanding of nature is to...um...be in nature. These were kids, so the adults in charge were responsible and failed. Unless the parents signed some sort of waiver stating; "in the event your child does such and such, we are not responsible", and I highly doubt any parent would. The camp is responsible , period!
Which begs the question: why are they suing the power company-and not Camp Towanga?
(also,if you read the article you would have discovered the person killed was an adult camp couselor)
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08-08-2013, 05:40 PM
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I disagree. The camp was "near power lines" because it had electricity-for lighting heating and all the usual reasons. The were the lines that ran to the camp buildings. Same as the lines that run to your house.
I heard it on the news and quite likely misunderstood what I heard. If this is the case, then I apologize and agree with you.
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Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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