Don't Californicate my State? (San Diego, San Francisco: income, sales tax, live)

[Gentoo]

You know Californians may complain about the immigration issue, but what border state doesn't? Arizona and Texas know about this as well.

One thing we don't complain about is having most of our large cities populated by other fellow Americans who are non Ca. natives. Go to San Francisco and San Diego in particular and you'll see that perhaps a small majority are non natives. Yet you don't hear us complaining about Ca. becoming too midwestern or northeastern of "Colorado-ized".

For every Californian who's moved to some other state, there's probably 8 to 10 who moved into Ca. from other states.

[ElizaTeal]

I moved to Arizona from NY. Sometimes I don't get a warm reception. I've had people tell me I haven't lived here long enough to understand (understand what, the method to their madness???) I been living here since 1996!

OK, so nobody likes to be called, "backwards or back woods" we get it.

[blauskies]

You don't see them as much as you once did but it was a common site to see a bumper sticker here that said "If you love NY, then take I-95 north". Sooner or later though the people who complain are outnumbered which happened here.

[Mach50]

The Anti-California/Anti-New York vibe is present across the country, I have witnessed it almost every time I say I have lived in both of these fine states.

I think it is an attitude thing, Californians and New Yorkers have been known to exhibit a certain attitude that is very hard to shake when you move somewhere else.

[Ultrarunner]

Originally Posted by jazzlover

I've raised the ire of many ex-Californians in other forums, so I might as well answer this one and get everybody twisted off here. The term "Californicate" has been around--as others have posted--for about 30 years. It was (and is) especially commonly used in the Rocky Mountain states, which have been the target of "invasion" by a lot of ex-Californians for many years.

The simple fact is that many of us in those states do not like the massive influx of population--especially when those transplants seem determined to remake the place into what they say they wish to escape, which is exactly what is happening in much of the Rocky Mountain West. Many Californians seem to have a real "hubris" about themselves--thinking that they are the trendsetters for the rest of the country and that they are more "enlightened" than everyone else. The first statement is likely true, but the second is one with which many non-Californians--me included--would vehemently disagree. Misguided is probably a much better description for many California-associated "ideas."

In the end, though, it is sheer numbers that make residents of other states often resent the influx of ex-Californians and the value structure and ideals that they carry to other states. California is the 900-pound gorilla. Consider, for example, that if only 3% of the California population moved to a state like Montana, the ex-Californians would be the majority population in the state. That brings no comfort to natives and long-time residents to those places--especially when ex-Californians make statements to long-times residents, as one did to me, like this one: "One of these days, we Californians will be the majority here, and we'll run all of you 'good ol' boy' sons-of-b****es out." I find it especially humorous, in a sad way, that many long-time Californians rail about the influx of immigrants, domestic and foreign, entering their state, but can't figure out why people in other states get upset when hordes of Californians transplant to their state--and threaten to change the very character of the place. No difference."

Interesting Post and it could be word for word what one of my Bay Area co-workers said prior to moving to Idaho... only substitute immigrant for Californian

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

Interesting Post and it could be word for word what one of my Bay Area co-workers said prior to moving to Idaho... only substitute immigrant for Californian

http://billandkent.com/blog/blogimages/higgs-032305.jpg (broken link)

http://www.city-data.com/forum/calif...te#post6799586

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by jazzlover

I've raised the ire of many ex-Californians in other forums, so I might as well answer this one and get everybody twisted off here. The term "Californicate" has been around--as others have posted--for about 30 years. It was (and is) especially commonly used in the Rocky Mountain states, which have been the target of "invasion" by a lot of ex-Californians for many years.

The simple fact is that many of us in those states do not like the massive influx of population--especially when those transplants seem determined to remake the place into what they say they wish to escape, which is exactly what is happening in much of the Rocky Mountain West. Many Californians seem to have a real "hubris" about themselves--thinking that they are the trendsetters for the rest of the country and that they are more "enlightened" than everyone else. The first statement is likely true, but the second is one with which many non-Californians--me included--would vehemently disagree. Misguided is probably a much better description for many California-associated "ideas."

In the end, though, it is sheer numbers that make residents of other states often resent the influx of ex-Californians and the value structure and ideals that they carry to other states. California is the 900-pound gorilla. Consider, for example, that if only 3% of the California population moved to a state like Montana, the ex-Californians would be the majority population in the state. That brings no comfort to natives and long-time residents to those places--especially when ex-Californians make statements to long-times residents, as one did to me, like this one: "One of these days, we Californians will be the majority here, and we'll run all of you 'good ol' boy' sons-of-b****es out." I find it especially humorous, in a sad way, that many long-time Californians rail about the influx of immigrants, domestic and foreign, entering their state, but can't figure out why people in other states get upset when hordes of Californians transplant to their state--and threaten to change the very character of the place. No difference.

Now, I will say this: I think California has one of the most magnificent physical geographies on the planet. Fortunately, too, it had some early visionaries--people like John Muir--who did much to protect some of its most magnificent landscapes. Being a former agriculturalist, I also admire California's historical status as a leader in the agriculture in the US. But, beyond that, I think much of what has been wrought by man in California in the last half-century or so--auto-dependent suburbia, the California hedonistic "lifestyle," moral laxity, "nanny-state" mentality, and the like--have been extremely harmful to California--and the whole country. I think that we are going to pay dearly for those widely embraced, but misguided ideas.

A friend, a Colorado native whose work took him to California for several years, made this statement about the place that I thought was quite insightful: "California is a geographically magnificent place, but its population has become unworthy of that geography."

As a recent California native transplant to SW Missouri you don't raise my ire at all. What you said was pretty much right-on based upon my experience in living in a number of other states as well. If CA really had the answers it wouldn't have a totally polarized populace, an inefficient to the extent of being laughable governance and be drowning in debt for which future generations will be paying off or choking on for the forseeable future.

We moved because we wanted to leave the "California experience" far behind us. If we'd wanted any semblance of its society and customs we'd have stayed put. Thus far our move back to "America" has been nothing less than refreshing. Where California is concerned, it's infinitely more satisfying for us to be on the outside looking in than the other way around.

California is indeed beautiful and unique and I wish continued joy to those who enjoy the total package.

[Ludachris]

Originally Posted by Clarks

Don't worry, move to Idaho, the Californians are taking California to Idaho, and Montana, and Nevada, and Oregon, and Washington, and Utah.

When you say you can't wait to go to CA, Which CA? there are a bunch of them, altogether different from another. Bridgeport is further from San Diego than just miles.

Don't forget CO. A CA'er can feel quite at home here these days for the most part. They just passed the no-smoking law recently and we can buy liquor on Sundays too now

They're also a little bitter about CA'ers here too though. You see bumper stickers that say "Native". LOL You'd think CA'ers would be the ones wanting to let all the CA immigrants that they're natives.

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

I feel the anti-California vibe from Oregonians the most. These are people who often move here!

I love my state but living here has become next to impossible. You can have a degree and still work at the same jobs getting the same pay as those without.

I tend to put some of the blame on some other reasons why we're screwed but I don't feel like getting into any arguments.

A degree has nothing to do with knowledge, experience, and the ability to do the job.

[Ultrarunner]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

As a recent California native transplant to SW Missouri you don't raise my ire at all. What you said was pretty much right-on based upon my experience in living in a number of other states as well. If CA really had the answers it wouldn't have a totally polarized populace, an inefficient to the extent of being laughable governance and be drowning in debt for which future generations will be paying off or choking on for the forseeable future.

We moved because we wanted to leave the "California experience" far behind us. If we'd wanted any semblance of its society and customs we'd have stayed put. Thus far our move back to "America" has been nothing less than refreshing. Where California is concerned, it's infinitely more satisfying for us to be on the outside looking in than the other way around.

California is indeed beautiful and unique and I wish continued joy to those who enjoy the total package.

It's almost a return to the Gold Rush Days... people come to CA to seek their fortune... many fail miserably and some do OK.

So many of those I know left made all their money here so in leaving the State is also loosing Income and Sales Taxes too.