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Old 10-25-2009, 12:42 PM
 
Location: TX
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I think both parties could learn from the more moderates who at least try to work with both sides of the aisle. If Obama could run for governor I would vote for him even though I am conservative. Unfortunately I don't think Jerry Brown is even close to what someone of the president's caliber could bring to the table.

And all the major polls so far show Jerry Brown leading by pretty significant margins. Wikipedia has a nice summary - California gubernatorial election, 2010 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

I know this is still a year out and much could change. But old political habits die hard here in the golden state. Even for candidates who want real change it is an uphill battle all the way. This is what Arnold has faced since day one.

We need a well thought out strategy to get back on our feet financially. Simple tax and spend will not cut it and just put us deeper into debt and the unemployment spiral.

Derek
I don't see how you can say your conservative yet would vote for Obama. He's pretty much anti-conservative.

I agree the strategy is going to be a tough task at hand and who knows its possible that it may never really get back on track..
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Old 10-25-2009, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Monterey County, CA
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I don't see how you can say your conservative yet would vote for Obama. He's pretty much anti-conservative.
Because actually getting something accomplished takes a person who can pull it off. Simply following old party lines from either side isn't enough to fix this ecomony. And Obama gets that even if others in his party don't. And the same is true for the republican party. A George Bush or Rush Limbaugh approach to problem solving just ends up polarizing the legislature and general public. Nothing ends up getting done except for a lot of chest pumping and hot air blown around.

The biggest problem with partisan politics is that ppl end up basing everything on single positions like gay marriage or abortion and thats all they really vote on. Its all they can think about and all they see is red. I know because I have conservative friends who think this way. All they think about is abortion or the Gov't trying to take over their lives. However with an economy in shambles there are many more factors to consider and much more at stake. And some Gov't intervention will be inevitable. Whether or not the best candidate to get the job done will also hold the same 'hot button' views is another question.

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I agree the strategy is going to be a tough task at hand and who knows its possible that it may never really get back on track..
Even for a person with a good strategy, real vision and amibition it will be a very tough job. It looks like Jerry Brown has a strong chance to land the position again. Whether or not he is up to the task is the real question.

Derek

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Old 10-25-2009, 03:47 PM
 
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I'm a See's voter myself.

LOL
I have to admit I would rather vote for a Geerardelli or Sees for Govenator than the slate we have in front of us!
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Old 10-25-2009, 03:55 PM
 
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Your totally right, it couldnt possibly be that the GOPs rhetoric is driving people away.

I mean terms such as "anchor babies" really are quite endearing arent they?
I am afraid that the term is very accurate. I have personal experience with it. I have friends that are an asian family. Their plan was to anchor part of the family here with the bebe. They needed to get a toehold here in the US.
They were very honest about it as the quotas for immigration were filled in their country. The good part is they are well educated and have good tax paying jobs!
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Old 10-27-2009, 11:27 AM
 
Location: In them thar hills
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As much as she might be an improvement, I doubt she stands a chance of winning.

Why?

She's quite unusual looking. She dresses OK, but just the way she was made is a bit odd. Nothing in particular, just overall. (For the same reason, I could never be a politician, actor, celeb, etc).
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:37 PM
 
Location: The High Seas
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She reminds me of a pug, only with lighter-colored fur.
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Old 10-28-2009, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Olympus Mons, Mars
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well, at least some interesting candidates here... I thought we were going to get more Actors! Some hope for California's future.
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Old 11-22-2009, 06:06 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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...old political habits die hard here in the golden state. Even for candidates who want real change it is an uphill battle all the way. This is what Arnold has faced since day one. We need a well thought out strategy to get back on our feet financially.
...which is why Whitman, another billionaire who hasn't had any political experience, is too big a risk. Too bad Jack O'Connell isn't running; at least he knows how the legislature operates.
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Old 11-24-2009, 12:45 PM
 
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And during that time, California has grown to become the 7th largest economy in the world. The state produces an economy and culture that affects the world more than any other state in the U.S.

This "socialist" state (your word, not mine) over the last few decades has produced companies like HP, Google, Apple, Intel, Cisco Systems, DirecTV, The Gap, Qualcomm, eBay, Western Digital, Advanced Micro Devices, Sun Microsystems, Symantec, Adobe, and dozens of other Fortune 500 companies.

Oh yeah, Democrats have been horrible for California.
Whatever prosperity we've had has been mostly in spite of the Democrats, not because of them.
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Old 11-24-2009, 12:46 PM
 
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Well, instead of laughing perhaps Republicans might want to figure out why their party is shrinking.

The Fix - Gallup Poll: Republican Shrinkage Widespread
Being conservative will never be cool to the majority. The human mind craves novelty. Being conservative is too boring.
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