Do any liberals dislike California? (San Francisco, Fresno: health insurance, how much, wages)

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by Clarks

This may be a very telling thread title. Conservatives tend to operate from perceptions and emotional desires, based primarily on fear of change.

You're stereotyping here. Liberals and cosnervatives just have different fears.

I recently read an article that mentioned conservatives would like to go back to the family structure of the 1950s and liberals wish for the economic stability and lower inequality of the 1950s. I'd never thought of it that way....I thought it was a good point.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by BlackShoe

No,California is governed by extremeists on the Left.Why would any liberal want to leave the state?After all,they are well on their way toward turning California into the Marxist/Leninist domain they yearn for.

Good point. To hear liberals tell it, you'd think we were the lowest taxed and most unregulated state in the nation. As it is, California ranks #6 in taxes and has mediocre/crappy services for what we pay.

The legislature has been Democrat majority for what? 50 years?

However, Republicans in the leglislature are also extremist. But they don't have the clout the Dems do. All they can really do is slow down the pace of the Democrat agenda.

[Lycanmaster]

Well I'm pretty liberal though somewhat more moderate on social issues. I don't like California all that much. I haven't really seen it to be all that "enlightened" or "tolerant", "accepting" here that Californians like to pat themselves on the back about. Frankly, I felt more like an I was truly American in the "Red" state I grew up in (despite it nowhere near as diverse demographically) than where I live now. Even in LA, alot of the Asians I work with consider being American largely incidental as that is not where their true heart lies...

[Screw Sacramento]

Originally Posted by Lycanmaster

Well I'm pretty liberal though somewhat more moderate on social issues. I don't like California all that much. I haven't really seen it to be all that "enlightened" or "tolerant", "accepting" here that Californians like to pat themselves on the back about. Frankly, I felt more like an I was truly American in the "Red" state I grew up in (despite it nowhere near as diverse demographically) than where I live now. Even in LA, alot of the Asians I work with consider being American largely incidental as that is not where their true heart lies...

I think the term "celebrate diversity" is crap. I've known state institutions that pride themselves out of diversity but discriminate like it's going out of style.

Besides, in your last statement, you mentioned that Asians cling to their original culture and just incidentally live here for the opportunities. I worked with one middle eastern who taught Islam and hated America. She's still here though, with job security, I'm guessing because America in general and this state in particular are the best place for her to find opportunity and advancement. Just because she hates it here doesn't mean she didn't see the value of a good deal.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Screw Sacramento

I think the term "celebrate diversity" is crap.

It's Orwellian right speak, political correctness at its worst and liberal pablum that makes them think they're coming across as enlightened and progressive while, in fact, they're pandering for votes and additional opportunities to pick their constituents' pockets!

[AnUnidentifiedMale]

Originally Posted by Lycanmaster

I haven't really seen it to be all that "enlightened" or "tolerant", "accepting" here that Californians like to pat themselves on the back about.

California is more accepting and tolerant of certain types of people, but not of others. For example, people who would be considered too liberal in other parts of the country would probably feel more comfortable in California; however, people who are highly religious or highly conservative would probably not.

Tolerance and acceptance are relative concepts. It's best that you find the part of the country that feels comfortable for you by your own definitions, not by the definitions that others have made.

[BayDude]

^^ Spot on and pretty much true. Also there are differences between Socal and Norcal in terms of the degrees of liberalism. The latter being more liberal overall.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Clarks

I am going to ask for a bit of rational thinking, What, other than SoCal is ruined in this state? It is true that not all of SoCal is ruined, just the places packed with people, nothing a good tsunami could not take care of.

I think the comment has more to do with unemployment, high taxes, "do anything you want" mentality. I don't think the beauty of the state or the diverse culture is bothered. You live in one of the nicer parts of the state. to those of us who born and raised in CA for many years and have seen the charges, it isn't the same state. Of course nothing stays the same and that can be good as well as bad.

You also are not thinking correctly when you try and discribe the views of the conservatives. We are not oppossed to change and no, we do not view things from our heart only, actually it is pretty much the other way around. We just do not see things the same as liberals. I am a conservative but just slightly to the right of middle.
Nita

[Tiger Beer]

Most of the liberals of California went to Oregon/Washington.

Massive movements of yuppies everything else you can imagine descended upon San Francisco. Outside of SF, most of the state went to massive over-development, i.e. sprawl, development to anyone with the $$, etc.

[Screw Sacramento]

Originally Posted by BayDude

^^ Spot on and pretty much true. Also there are differences between Socal and Norcal in terms of the degrees of liberalism. The latter being more liberal overall.

Don't you mean SoCal (former) is more liberal? NoCal has problems, but at least it has conservatives towards the Redding/Palo Cedro areas.