California's best years have passed, voters say (Sacramento: employment, moving)

[Ludachris]

Originally Posted by bayarea-girl

Anunidentifiedmale, sure many people visit the site daily. But there are many threads like this that others can read if they want to, many. No one said this is a closed forum but these types of threads get OLD, there is nothing new in these types of posts and the same feedback and or reaction get reported! If people like you like to keep pushing these types of threads because for some reason you find it interesting then that is your choice.

And many new visitors will want to chime in on the subject, not just read it, even if there was a similar thread a few months ago. It likely will receive the same type of replies, but not always by the same people. Again, some long-time members may not care to see the same topic rehashed, but that's the nature of this type of forum. Instead of encouraging people not to post the same type of thread or complaining about it in the thread, why not just avoid participating in it or reading it if you don't like it? There really is no good solution to it, and complaining about it only takes the thread off topic.

You could make the case that people could find a similar thread from last year, but things change in a year and there could be a different crowd here with different insight. AnUnidentifiedMale was right. This is an ongoing topic and always will be in this forum (as well as other state forums).

[bayarea-girl]

Ludachris, no reader has to go months into reading about CA topics similar to this one. Try within the same week or day. After seeing these types of threads daily it gets OLD, even for newer visitors. I have a right to complain about these types of posts as people have about posting them.

[EscapeCalifornia]

Originally Posted by Clarks

I think a strong case can be made that the best days of California ended with the American conquest. The rancho culture of old California was probably the best man can do on the planet.

Tell that to the Indians.

[Clarks]

Who do you think the vaqueros were?

[OC Investor2]

Most interesting part I saw in the article was this:

Notably, in this season of political outrage, with its boisterous town halls and bipartisan cat-calls on television and the Internet, Californians did not seem particularly angry. Rather, they demonstrated a sense of civic dejection.

"You get angry when you think you can make a difference and make change," said Dan Schnur, director of the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at USC. "But the predominant mood of the electorate in California seems to be 'What's the use?' "

The Political class is holed up behind a wall of gerrymandering and specail interest cash. They have succeeded in insulating themselves from the electoral consequences of their policies. Very dangerous.

Thanks for posting UIM. I'd rep you again, but have to spread it around bit more first.

[sunshine7793]

OC Investor2

What a great observation about the political class ignoring the voters. So true. Guess things will have to get much worse before people take action - or will they ever?

[Clarks]

mmm maybe by.... voting?

[coyoteskye]

Originally Posted by EscapeCalifornia

Tell that to the Indians.

Thank you.

[Dean Trails]

Originally Posted by Clarks

I think a strong case can be made that the best days of California ended with the American conquest. The rancho culture of old California was probably the best man can do on the planet.

Clarks, Clarks, Clarks.............Have you read about the rancho culture in California? It might have been a good time for the Rancho owners but, It was a terrible time for the native Californians. They were treated as slaves and worked to death for the benefit of the ranchers. The indians were decimated by disease and lack of food. Indians that fled the ranchos were hunted down for sport.

It was not the "Best of Days"!

[Clarks]

Studying the history of your own backyard is a great and fun thing to do.

History is not as clear cut and black and white some would like.


California’s first cowboys were Indians

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The Gaspar DePortolá expedition arrived in Alta (Upper) California in 1769 with instructions to explore the land and establish missions.
They brought with them a herd of 165 cattle that was eventually split between the first five missions. As the herds grew, the Catholic padres moved the cattle to satellite mission ranchos established in areas with large Indian populations.
The Indians were brought to the missions to work as laborers and learn trades that included farming, blacksmithing and ranching.
In 1818, the governor of California, which was still part of Mexico, reportedly prohibited the Indians from riding horses because they were becoming expert horsemen.!!!!
However, within a few years the large herds and lack of men to attend them enabled the mission padres to convince the Spanish government to repeal the act.
After Mexican independence from Spain in 1821, large tracts of land known as "ranchos" were granted to private citizens throughout California and cattle became an industry.
Independence opened up trade to other countries, especially the United States. Hides and tallow became the main California export.
In 1827, Mexico enacted branding laws and made it mandatory that the missions and ranchos brand their cattle. The missions assigned Indian vaqueros (cowboys in Spanish) to work for the private ranchos as well.
Upon secularization of the missions in 1834, the Indians were released from servitude and the lands were sold by the Mexican government.
The majority of the Indian villages were within the boundaries of privately owned ranchos. In most cases, the rancho owner, also known as ranchero, needed the Indians to remain on the ranch to work as domestic servants and vaqueros.
...Early firsthand accounts of the Indian vaqueros mention their riding and roping talents.
In his book, "The Cattle on a Thousand Hills, Southern California, 1850-1880," Robert Glass Cleland specifically mentions their excellent horsemanship.
"The California vaquero, whether Indian or Mexican, was a superb horseman – perhaps the most skilful the world has ever seen – and had no superior in the use [CENTER]Advertisement
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The Rancho Culture depended on cattle, the horse, and the indian. It was probably the finest flowering of human culture yet on the planet.