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Old 01-08-2010, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Here is a little bit of historical trivia for you. If you are out in Nevada, Eastern Oregon, Idaho, Montana and north Wyoming, and you run into "cowboys" or cowmen with the brims of their hats tilted up, they are not authentic.

The Authentic hat for that country is the California vaquero flat hat. In one of the videos I pointed you to, a couple of young buckaroos up in Montana made fun of cowboys with tilted brim hats.
Did they wear them that way anywhere in the 19th and early 20th centuries? Seems like that was a later 20th century style of Western hat, worn mainly in the Southwest.
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Old 01-08-2010, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Central Coast
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so move, why stay in such a hell hole?
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Old 01-08-2010, 03:56 PM
 
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Did they wear them that way anywhere in the 19th and early 20th centuries? Seems like that was a later 20th century style of Western hat, worn mainly in the Southwest.
There really weren't any cowboy hats in the old west, the idea came from the movies, the brims originally were tilted up so light would get on the actor's face, which defeats the purpose of the hat. I guess those Texans modeled their "kit" on Hollywood.


The California flat hat goes back centuries through Mexico to Spain.
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Old 01-08-2010, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Not me, I hate that boil on the face of the desert. The publicity of Burning Man has served to draw so many people into the Black Rock country that true isolation has become hard to find.

Coyoteskye, I have tried to make clear that the old west is alive and well, I even gave you a website to pursue that information. Consider highway 101, East of it, stretching to Highway 33 are huge ranches, some are nearly complete Spanish Rancho's, There are still a few wild horse herds out there, the west lives there. On the far side of the San Joaquin north of Fresno and stretching to Red Bluff are more great ranches, interspersed with 150 year old towns. Let's cross the Sierra, from Ridgecrest to the Oregon border are more great ranches, and more wild horse herds.

There are many ghost towns in CA. I ran across a book of them yesterday in a box in the garage, all with their tales of murders and prostitutes and drinking and mining.

Here is a little bit of historical trivia for you. If you are out in Nevada, Eastern Oregon, Idaho, Montana and north Wyoming, and you run into "cowboys" or cowmen with the brims of their hats tilted up, they are not authentic.

The Authentic hat for that country is the California vaquero flat hat. In one of the videos I pointed you to, a couple of young buckaroos up in Montana made fun of cowboys with tilted brim hats.

Also, look to the gear, the Nevada and Montana ranchers use California style tack, including the two rein system, the Santa Barbara bit, and the split fork saddle.

A comment on Henry Miller; it was said that he could ride from Mexico to Canada and sleep on his own ground every night.

O.K. .... i hear you and i get it.
I have a very different relationship with the states of the intermountain west and i have a very different relationship with California and my perceptions come from my own inner and outer experiences (and there's a big difference between the CA i know and love and the "western" states that i know well but don't love) but, like i said, i have not spent time in most of the parts of California that you speak of and i am not a big history buff.
And even when i'm in Truckee (where i was born) i see the remnants of the past and the mining, and railroad, etc., etc. but it's so overwhelmed by everything else.
So thanks ... i've been educated.
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Old 01-08-2010, 04:08 PM
 
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You are welcome. A friend of mine calls California "a swamp thing clinging to the edge of the continent"

Parts surely are, but the best parts are still "west"

Joanne Meschery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She lives or lived in Truckee, depending on your age you might have known her kids. Remember Truckee Book and Tea?

Or, how to make a small fortune in Truckee, bring a large fortune and open a books store downtown.
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Old 01-08-2010, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Declezville, CA
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California is about as "wild, wild west" as Massachusetts.
he says, from the sterile confines of über-urbanized OC.
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Old 01-08-2010, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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You are welcome. A friend of mine calls California "a swamp thing clinging to the edge of the continent"

Parts surely are, but the best parts are still "west"

Joanne Meschery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She lives or lived in Truckee, depending on your age you might have known her kids. Remember Truckee Book and Tea?

Or, how to make a small fortune in Truckee, bring a large fortune and open a books store downtown.

For me the best of California (and what CA is essentially about) is a future forwardness ... a cutting edge ... crest of the wave ... it's difficult to detect (especially in these degenerate times of the "collective", ie; masses) but it's here and in particular and as i perceive and experience, the coastal energy of the pacific is about the future >>>>>>>>>>>>> and there is no more revitalizing place in the entire country.

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Old 01-08-2010, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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There really weren't any cowboy hats in the old west, the idea came from the movies, the brims originally were tilted up so light would get on the actor's face, which defeats the purpose of the hat. I guess those Texans modeled their "kit" on Hollywood.


The California flat hat goes back centuries through Mexico to Spain.
No, curved brim hats preceded the movies. A lot of western men wore them with their Sunday Best and they then developed into working hats during the early to mid-20th century. Real cattlemen in the Southwest wore them in felt and straw after that and the big flat brimmed hats went out of style until resurrected by the movies in the 80s.
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:43 PM
 
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Here is a little bit of historical trivia for you. If you are out in Nevada, Eastern Oregon, Idaho, Montana and north Wyoming, and you run into "cowboys" or cowmen with the brims of their hats tilted up, they are not authentic.

The Authentic hat for that country is the California vaquero flat hat. In one of the videos I pointed you to, a couple of young buckaroos up in Montana made fun of cowboys with tilted brim hats..
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Old 01-08-2010, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Central Coast
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Dang, a classic hollywood hat

Here is a flat hat
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