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Old 01-13-2010, 10:45 PM
 
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California’s Credit Cut by S&P Amid Budget Deficit (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

Worst roads in the country, worst educational performance , worst bond rating and some of the highest taxes. Welcome to California 2010.
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:50 AM
 
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California’s Credit Cut by S&P Amid Budget Deficit (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

Worst roads in the country, worst educational performance , worst bond rating and some of the highest taxes. Welcome to California 2010.
you wish.

US News and World Report 2009 Ranking of Graduate Schools

Best Business Schools
1-tied Harvard
1-tied Stanford
3 U. of Pennsylvania(Wharton)
4-tie MIT(Sloan)
4-tie Northwestern(Kellogg)
7-tie Dartmouth(Tuck)
7-tie U. of California, Berkeley(Haas)
9 Columbia
10 NYU(Stern)
11 U. of California, Los Angeles(Anderson)
12 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor(Ross)
13 Yale
14-tie Cornell(Johnson)
14-tie Duke(Fuqua)
14-tie U. of Virginia(Darden)

Best Law Schools
1 Yale
2-tie Harvard
2-tie Stanford
4 Columbia
5 NYU
6 U. of California, Berkeley
7-tie U. of Chicago
7-tie U. of Pennsylvania
9-tie Northwestern
9-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
9-tie U. of Virginia
12 Cornell
14 Georgetown
15 Vanderbilt

Best Medical Schools
1 Harvard
2 Johns Hopkins
3 Washington U. in St. Louis
4 U. of Pennsylvania
5 U. of California, San Francisco
6-tie Duke
6-tie U. of Washington
8 Stanford
9-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
9-tie Yale
11-tie Columbia
11-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
12 Baylor
14-tie U. of California, San Diego
14-tie U. of Pittsburgh

Best Engineering Schools
1 MIT
2 Stanford
3 U. of California, Berkeley
4 Georgia Tech
5 U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
6 Cal Tech
7 Carnegie Mellon
8 U. of California, Los Angeles(Viterbi)
9-tie Cornell
9 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
11 U. of California, San Diego
13-tie Texas A&M
13-tie U. of California, Los Angeles(Samueli)
15-tie Purdue
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison

Best Education Schools
1 Stanford
2 Vanderbilt
3 U. of California, Los Angeles
4 Columbia
5 U. of Oregon
6 Harvard
7-tie U. of California, Berkeley
7-tie U. of Washington
9 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
10-tie U. of Pennsylvania
10-tie U. of Texas, Austin
12-tie Northwestern
12-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
14-tie Michigan State U.
14-tie NYU

Best Biological Sciences Schools
1 Stanford
2-tie MIT
2-tie U. of California, Berkeley
4-tie Cal Tech
4-tie Harvard
6 Johns Hopkins
7-tie Rockefeller U.
7-tie Scripps Research Institute(CA)
7-tie U. of California, San Francisco
7-tie Yale
12-tie Cornell
12-tie Duke
12-tie Princeton
15-tie Columbia
15-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison

Best Chemistry Schools
1-tie Cal Tech
1-tie MIT
1-tie Stanford
1-tie U. of California, Berkeley
5 Harvard
6 Scripps Research Institute(CA)
7-tie U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
7-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
9-tie Cornell
9-tie Northwestern
11 Columbia
12-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
12-tie U. of Chicago
12-tie U. of Texas, Austin
15 Yale

Best Computer Science Schools
1-tie MIT
1-tie Stanford
1-tie U. of California, Berkeley
4 Carnegie Mellon U.
5 U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
6-tie Cornell
6-tie Princeton
6-tie U. of Washington
9-tie Georgia Tech
9-tie U. of Texas, Austin
11-tie Cal Tech
11-tie U. of Wisonsin, Madison
13-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
13-tie U. of Maryland, College Park
13-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor

Best Earth Science Schools
1 Cal Tech
2-tie MIT
2-tie Stanford
4 U. of California, Berkeley
5-tie Columbia
5-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
7 Pennsylvania State U., University Park
8 U. of Arizona
9 Harvard
9 U. of Texas, Austin
11-tie Princeton
11-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
11-tie U. of Washington
11-tie Yale
15-tie Cornell
15-tie U. of California, San Diego
15-tie U. of Chicago
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison

Best Mathematics Schools
1 Princeton
2-tie Harvard
2-tie-MIT
2-tie Stanford
2-tie U. of California, Berkeley
6 U. Of Chicago
7-tie Cal Tech
7-tie Yale
9-tie Columbia
9-tie NYU
9-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
12 U. of California, Los Angeles
13 Cornell
14-tie Brown
14-tie U. of Texas, Austin
14-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison

Best Physics Schools
1-tie MIT
1-tie Stanford
3-tie Cal Tech
3-tie Harvard
3-tie Princeton
3-tie U. of California, Berkeley
7 Cornell
8-tie U. of Chicago
8-tie U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
10 U. of California, Santa Barbara
11-tie Columbia
11-tie Yale
13-tie U. of Maryland, College Park
13-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
13-tie U. of Pennsylvania
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:55 AM
 
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California€™s Credit Cut by S&P Amid Budget Deficit (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

Worst roads in the country, worst educational performance , worst bond rating and some of the highest taxes. Welcome to California 2010.
LAUSD


I agree with you the sky is falling here in CA. The Golden state is not so golden anymore, at least we are not freezing our butts off like people in the NorthEast but then again too bad good weather doesn't translate into good economy.
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:37 AM
 
Location: Escondido, CA
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California’s Credit Cut by S&P Amid Budget Deficit (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

Worst roads in the country, worst educational performance , worst bond rating and some of the highest taxes. Welcome to California 2010.
We have the highest percentage of foreign-born Mexican immigrants, that might have something to do with apparent quality of public education. We have some of the lowest property taxes in the nation (almost everywhere else, 2% is the norm; over here, you have to look hard to find someone who pays 1%).

And the latest bond rating downgrade means that California can borrow money for ten years at 4.5%.
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Old 01-14-2010, 08:41 AM
 
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you wish.

US News and World Report 2009 Ranking of Graduate Schools

Best Business Schools
1-tied Harvard
1-tied Stanford
3 U. of Pennsylvania(Wharton)
4-tie MIT(Sloan)
4-tie Northwestern(Kellogg)
7-tie Dartmouth(Tuck)
7-tie U. of California, Berkeley(Haas)
9 Columbia
10 NYU(Stern)
11 U. of California, Los Angeles(Anderson)
12 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor(Ross)
13 Yale
14-tie Cornell(Johnson)
14-tie Duke(Fuqua)
14-tie U. of Virginia(Darden)

Best Law Schools
1 Yale
2-tie Harvard
2-tie Stanford
4 Columbia
5 NYU
6 U. of California, Berkeley
7-tie U. of Chicago
7-tie U. of Pennsylvania
9-tie Northwestern
9-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
9-tie U. of Virginia
12 Cornell
14 Georgetown
15 Vanderbilt

Best Medical Schools
1 Harvard
2 Johns Hopkins
3 Washington U. in St. Louis
4 U. of Pennsylvania
5 U. of California, San Francisco
6-tie Duke
6-tie U. of Washington
8 Stanford
9-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
9-tie Yale
11-tie Columbia
11-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
12 Baylor
14-tie U. of California, San Diego
14-tie U. of Pittsburgh

Best Engineering Schools
1 MIT
2 Stanford
3 U. of California, Berkeley
4 Georgia Tech
5 U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
6 Cal Tech
7 Carnegie Mellon
8 U. of California, Los Angeles(Viterbi)
9-tie Cornell
9 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
11 U. of California, San Diego
13-tie Texas A&M
13-tie U. of California, Los Angeles(Samueli)
15-tie Purdue
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison

Best Education Schools
1 Stanford
2 Vanderbilt
3 U. of California, Los Angeles
4 Columbia
5 U. of Oregon
6 Harvard
7-tie U. of California, Berkeley
7-tie U. of Washington
9 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
10-tie U. of Pennsylvania
10-tie U. of Texas, Austin
12-tie Northwestern
12-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
14-tie Michigan State U.
14-tie NYU

Best Biological Sciences Schools
1 Stanford
2-tie MIT
2-tie U. of California, Berkeley
4-tie Cal Tech
4-tie Harvard
6 Johns Hopkins
7-tie Rockefeller U.
7-tie Scripps Research Institute(CA)
7-tie U. of California, San Francisco
7-tie Yale
12-tie Cornell
12-tie Duke
12-tie Princeton
15-tie Columbia
15-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison

Best Chemistry Schools
1-tie Cal Tech
1-tie MIT
1-tie Stanford
1-tie U. of California, Berkeley
5 Harvard
6 Scripps Research Institute(CA)
7-tie U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
7-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
9-tie Cornell
9-tie Northwestern
11 Columbia
12-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
12-tie U. of Chicago
12-tie U. of Texas, Austin
15 Yale

Best Computer Science Schools
1-tie MIT
1-tie Stanford
1-tie U. of California, Berkeley
4 Carnegie Mellon U.
5 U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
6-tie Cornell
6-tie Princeton
6-tie U. of Washington
9-tie Georgia Tech
9-tie U. of Texas, Austin
11-tie Cal Tech
11-tie U. of Wisonsin, Madison
13-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
13-tie U. of Maryland, College Park
13-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor

Best Earth Science Schools
1 Cal Tech
2-tie MIT
2-tie Stanford
4 U. of California, Berkeley
5-tie Columbia
5-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
7 Pennsylvania State U., University Park
8 U. of Arizona
9 Harvard
9 U. of Texas, Austin
11-tie Princeton
11-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
11-tie U. of Washington
11-tie Yale
15-tie Cornell
15-tie U. of California, San Diego
15-tie U. of Chicago
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison

Best Mathematics Schools
1 Princeton
2-tie Harvard
2-tie-MIT
2-tie Stanford
2-tie U. of California, Berkeley
6 U. Of Chicago
7-tie Cal Tech
7-tie Yale
9-tie Columbia
9-tie NYU
9-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
12 U. of California, Los Angeles
13 Cornell
14-tie Brown
14-tie U. of Texas, Austin
14-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison

Best Physics Schools
1-tie MIT
1-tie Stanford
3-tie Cal Tech
3-tie Harvard
3-tie Princeton
3-tie U. of California, Berkeley
7 Cornell
8-tie U. of Chicago
8-tie U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
10 U. of California, Santa Barbara
11-tie Columbia
11-tie Yale
13-tie U. of Maryland, College Park
13-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
13-tie U. of Pennsylvania
Good to see these, but to be quite honest, I am suspicious of these rankings. They are kind of like a popularity contest for academics. I went to UCSB and Oregon State, and the latter gave me a much better education. So, peer research rankings do not necessarily transfer into undergraduate or even graduate education. When I did my MA at UCSB, I had a great advisor, but I recall almost no pedagogic structure. At OSU, they put me through the ringer.

I agree that it is misleading to say the state is at the bottom in educational attainment, but providing college rankings is a very specific and potentially misleading yardstick too. These peer rankings are based on research prestige, not education. In fact, I recall professors who really did not want to work with any students besides PhDs and postdocs.
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:49 PM
 
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That's what the people of this state get for electing tax and spend political hacks and, in the majority, voting yes on far too many bond propositions and other unfunded mandates. We have met the enemy and he is us.
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Old 01-14-2010, 04:24 PM
 
Location: West LA
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That's what the people of this state get for in the majority, voting yes on far too many bond propositions and other unfunded mandates. We have met the enemy and he is us.
Bingo!

California's voters need to be far more critical when voting on these propositions we get all the time... and only vote yes if there is a logical system for funding in place (ie: not more bonds).
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Old 01-14-2010, 05:03 PM
 
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That's what the people of this state get for electing tax and spend political hacks and, in the majority, voting yes on far too many bond propositions and other unfunded mandates. We have met the enemy and he is us.
Agreed. I have watched all these crazy ballot initiatives pass and wondered how we will pay for them, when everyone is rabid about cutting taxes.

It truly comes down to constructing an affordable government with a realistic and stable tax base. I think Prop. 13 and other such things like the Oregon "kicker" have tied the hands of the politicians to the benefits of some, all while we are expanding entitlements please other. They just don't cash flow. I am personally not opposed to some taxation, but the overall scheme must be sensible over the long-term. That is where California, and most other states, are smoking out of the wrong end of the peace pipe.

Also, to conclude this rant, I would love to see the West Coast go back to actually producing something (movies, timber, computers, mouseketeer outfits, self-help books, anything!), rather than the wheeling an dealing, flipping,day-trading, and corporate fraud that we have had in recent years with the dot.com and RE bubbles.
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:23 PM
 
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Every study I've ever seen on California public schools shows them ranked at the bottom compared to other states. How can you question this? Here is the first study that came up on a quick web search: U.S. Chamber of Commerce - Leaders and Laggards: A State-by-State Report Card on Educational Effectiveness

There's lots more studies showing the same dismal results. The teacher's union is in cahoots with Sacramento lawmakers to keep charter schools from being established. The result of this and other underhanded measures result in terrible school performance while producing great financial results for the teachers.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Under Mount Doom
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Every study I've ever seen on California public schools shows them ranked at the bottom compared to other states. How can you question this? Here is the first study that came up on a quick web search: U.S. Chamber of Commerce - Leaders and Laggards: A State-by-State Report Card on Educational Effectiveness

There's lots more studies showing the same dismal results. The teacher's union is in cahoots with Sacramento lawmakers to keep charter schools from being established. The result of this and other underhanded measures result in terrible school performance while producing great financial results for the teachers.
I think these school rankings are a boondoggle. California,and for that matter many states with large minority populations, score lower than lily white states along the Canadian border (say North Dakota). When a school has, say, 50% hispanic or black kids, it typically scores lower. Is that a difference in culture, ability, parental involvement, or teaching is unclear, but saying California educators are fully to blame is misleading. And if you are a white upper middle class kid with college educated parents in a classroom with, say 25% minority kids, do you think that will lower your scores and diminish your future? In all except the roughest, most gang-infested schools, I seriously doubt it.

So, the issue in California not that the teaching has gone downhill, so much as the demographics of the state have changed dramatically. If the minority groups to not "catch up" later in life, it is true that the state will not maintain its supremacy in the knowledge economy. However, this is not strictly the falt of teachers. California is changing, and time will tell if test scores tell the whole story about its future. I, for one, hope the minority kids can catch up, but my read of the scores across the country to do not support it. Regardless of average scores, we must keep trying to educate all kids, but it is a complex problem, IMO.
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