Does the US have Sanctuaries like Canada (homes, jobs)
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All WWII did was prolong the inevitable...the US didn't like how Hitler was going about things because they had a bigger plan in mind called new world order and mass slavery which is what is coming to light right before our eyes. And apathetically we all stand by and wait for it to happen to us rather than become close and help each other to a better freer life.
Also, don't forget that most join the military in their late teens/early 20s. To them it's a real adventure as well as a rite of passage into manhood. Ask them after their initial training why they joined and you'll hear such things as "my country needs me," it's a family tradition," "I wanted to do something important" along with "I couldn't find a job," "I wanted to stay out of trouble" and "to pay for my education."
Talk to them again returning from their first combat tour and the idealism has likely waned and, for those who re-enlist, been replaced with a true sense of place, service and belonging as well as deep feelings of kinship with and obligation towards their fellow soldiers.
As for the last question, I'm sure there are. After all, wasn't WW I called, "The war to end all wars?" Look how well that worked!
That's not very encouraging.
"It's a family tradition", " I wanted to do something important", " I couldn't find a job", " I wanted to stay out of trouble", and " to pay for my education" are all understandable reasons but yikes.
And, as i see it, there's a difference between not wanting to be in war (it's gotta s_ _ _ !) and truly wanting a world of peace.
That's not very encouraging.
"It's a family tradition", " I wanted to do something important", " I couldn't find a job", " I wanted to stay out of trouble", and " to pay for my education" are all understandable reasons but yikes.
And, as i see it, there's a difference between not wanting to be in war (it's gotta s_ _ _ !) and truly wanting a world of peace.
All WWII did was prolong the inevitable...the US didn't like how Hitler was going about things because they had a bigger plan in mind called new world order and mass slavery which is what is coming to light right before our eyes. And apathetically we all stand by and wait for it to happen to us rather than become close and help each other to a better freer life.
I always cringe when I hear that term being used. It smacks of Orwell's 1984. George H.W. Bush used it a lot. The fear of mass slavery here at home is a big part of what drives proponents of the 2nd Amendment. Not all just stand meekly by, or will!
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Originally Posted by coyoteskye
That's not very encouraging.
"It's a family tradition", " I wanted to do something important", " I couldn't find a job", " I wanted to stay out of trouble", and " to pay for my education" are all understandable reasons but yikes.
And, as i see it, there's a difference between not wanting to be in war (it's gotta s_ _ _ !) and truly wanting a world of peace.
My family is one of those with a legacy of military and combat service. One grandfather was in WW I. My father and three uncles were in WW II. One uncle didn't make it back. My father was in the Korean War as well. My time was Vietnam and the Korean DMZ also beckoned. My oldest son was in Desert Storm.
A couple of years before his death, my father, a decorated, retired Marine Corps Colonel began questioning whether or not his career and combat experienced really counted for anything meaningful. It hurt me to hear him wondering if a career he took pride in really mattered after all or resulted in any lasting accomplishments.
Years later it was my turn and I did the better part of a career as an Amy Officer, separating as a Major after 12 years, two of which were served at the Pentagon. Now, many years later, I also question all that service and wonder what was accomplished. It wouldn't surprise me if my son, who spent eight years in the Navy, did the same in years to come.
There's no good reason not to want world peace, Skye. Only a fool would wish otherwise. Unfortunately, power corrupts, conquest follows and humans have warred on one another since Cain and Abel. As with most human endeavors, the root cause can be found if only you follow the money.
I always cringe when I hear that term being used. It smacks of Orwell's 1984. George H.W. Bush used it a lot. The fear of mass slavery here at home is a big part of what drives proponents of the 2nd Amendment. Not all just stand meekly by, or will!
My family is one of those with a legacy of military and combat service. One grandfather was in WW I. My father and three uncles were in WW II. One uncle didn't make it back. My father was in the Korean War as well. My time was Vietnam and the Korean DMZ also beckoned. My oldest son was in Desert Storm.
A couple of years before his death, my father, a decorated, retired Marine Corps Colonel began questioning whether or not his career and combat experienced really counted for anything meaningful. It hurt me to hear him wondering if a career he took pride in really mattered after all or resulted in any lasting accomplishments.
Years later it was my turn and I did the better part of a career as an Amy Officer, separating as a Major after 12 years, two of which were served at the Pentagon. Now, many years later, I also question all that service and wonder what was accomplished. It wouldn't surprise me if my son, who spent eight years in the Navy, did the same in years to come.
There's no good reason not to want world peace, Skye. Only a fool would wish otherwise. Unfortunately, power corrupts, conquest follows and humans have warred on one another since Cain and Abel. As with most human endeavors, the root cause can be found if only you follow the money.
The one overriding truth is, War is Hell!
I know this post wasn't to me but I do have a comment. My Father and four of my Uncles fought in WWll and my father went bomb wacky as they called it then. Three months later they sent him back to the front line which sealed the deal for his future. I don't know how he felt inside...he cried a lot. I would sit on his lap and hold his face in my hands to try and make him feel better. He would hug me but I think he did it to show me he loved me. He never stopped crying though. He had violent flash backs and severe depression and finally was released from it all in 1984. The war ruined him and for what? I know he is not the only one but he was the most important person in my life and the only one who acknowledge my existance! At what point do we stop? These young boys and girls now devoting their lives not for country or state but for bankers and financiers that's what it's always been about. I'm not the smartest person on the block but I know a scam when I see one!!!
I know this post wasn't to me but I do have a comment. My Father and four of my Uncles fought in WWll and my father went bomb wacky as they called it then. Three months later they sent him back to the front line which sealed the deal for his future. I don't know how he felt inside...he cried a lot. I would sit on his lap and hold his face in my hands to try and make him feel better. He would hug me but I think he did it to show me he loved me. He never stopped crying though. He had violent flash backs and severe depression and finally was released from it all in 1984. The war ruined him and for what? I know he is not the only one but he was the most important person in my life and the only one who acknowledge my existance! At what point do we stop? These young boys and girls now devoting their lives not for country or state but for bankers and financiers that's what it's always been about. I'm not the smartest person on the block but I know a scam when I see one!!!
I'm sorry about your father. Back then it was call battle fatigue, shell shock, combat stress and even traumatic war neurosis. Now it's known as Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome (PTSD). I came back with my share of it but it's certainly diminished over time (a great healer occasionally). It doesn't for everyone.
At least our entry into WW II was precipitated by a surprise attack on our territory which may not have been a complete surprise after all but it did rally the country around the flag.
I don't think there's any such thing as a "good" war perhaps only excepting our War of Independence.
I'm sorry about your father. Back then it was call battle fatigue, shell shock, combat stress and even traumatic war neurosis. Now it's known as Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome (PTSD). I came back with my share of it but it's certainly diminished over time (a great healer occasionally). It doesn't for everyone.
At least our entry into WW II was precipitated by a surprise attack on our territory which may not have been a complete surprise after all but it did rally the country around the flag.
I don't think there's any such thing as a "good" war perhaps only excepting our War of Independence.
I think if we did have independence I could agree and say my fathers sacrifice and that of others may have been worth it! But we don't!!!
this turned out to be a very heavy post...it's interesting where things can go with one question. I'm not ungrateful and thank all those in the past and currently who honestly believe they are fighting for our freedom. It would be my wish that all war stops but we know it won't...so I hope that all the men and women who fought and are fighting believing there was and is a cause did not and are not doing it it in vein!
I think if we did have independence I could agree and say my fathers sacrifice and that of others may have been worth it! But we don't!!!
Right, you would be much better off in a free country, like Iran, give me a break, what in the hell are you doing without?
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At what point do we stop? These young boys and girls now devoting their lives not for country or state but for bankers and financiers that's what it's always been about. I'm not the smartest person on the block but I know a scam when I see one!!!
