1960's type Flight from southern California could happen (Los Angeles, San Francisco: transplants, transporting)

[Mach50]

Originally Posted by atxcio

I don't think people are saying that. What they ARE saying is that California runs the risk of becoming very similar to parts of Mexico -- no middle class. Just wealthy, lighter-skinned landowners and their vast servant class. Of course, maybe America as a whole is heading that direction...

Right been hearing it all for decades...yet I drive around and see nothing but white, Hispanic, Asian and blacks of all classes...

I think some of you folks fail to realize there is life outside of places like OC, West LA and San Francisco proper where all the rich White people are who have brownies working for them like Mexico.

Shoot, I just had an Anglo landscaper in Redwood City work in my front lawn...I should have asked him when is he leaving...
We still have black and white people doing plumbing across the street, only a few Hispanics even working there, they should be leaving too I guess....

[BRinSM]

for all of you that are fleeing, be prepared to move again sometime in the future as your new home becomes "the next california" (i'm especially talking to you TX and CO) and gets too crowded, expensive, and polluted for your tastes.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by BRinSM

for all of you that are fleeing, be prepared to move again sometime in the future as your new home becomes "the next california" (i'm especially talking to you TX and CO) and gets too crowded, expensive, and polluted for your tastes.

Spot on.

States that have major population growth are inevitably going to have these issues.

Not to mention that Pacific Northwest-style hostility towards Californians is taking root in Texas in a big way.

A Texan friend of mine has told me about a bumper sticker there, "Keep the Illegals, Deport the Californians" - as I haven't been to Texas recently I don't know how popular that sticker is, but there is a widely held perception that Californians move to Texas and try to turn it into California (as has occurred in Nevada, Arizona, and Colorado)

If those people who want to move to a new state to avoid facing the problems of California, they're better off going to somewhere with a stable population, colder weather, and no water problems, like Upper New England or upstate NY.

[Mr. Fantastic]

[californio sur]

Originally Posted by majoun

Spot on.

States that have major population growth are inevitably going to have these issues.

Not to mention that Pacific Northwest-style hostility towards Californians is taking root in Texas in a big way.

A Texan friend of mine has told me about a bumper sticker there, "Keep the Illegals, Deport the Californians" - as I haven't been to Texas recently I don't know how popular that sticker is, but there is a widely held perception that Californians move to Texas and try to turn it into California (as has occurred in Nevada, Arizona, and Colorado)

If those people who want to move to a new state to avoid facing the problems of California, they're better off going to somewhere with a stable population, colder weather, and no water problems, like Upper New England or upstate NY.

I think the figures on the number of people leaving California for cheaper states is diminishing considerably since the housing bubble burst. As for Californian's moving to Texas, it is a shock for them when they realize that Texas basically has no employee benefits, hate unions & believe corporations are God. Those Californian's willing to stay in such a depressing state like Texas actually improve the scene by voting Democratic & helping Texas combat the Bible-Belt mentality.

[HeyHolliday!]

California will always be one of the most beautiful states with some of the best weather in the U.S. This alone attracts people of all income levels. California might be having problems especially in government, but even during good economic times the government has been in the red financially.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by californio sur

I think the figures on the number of people leaving California for cheaper states is diminishing considerably since the housing bubble burst. As for Californian's moving to Texas, it is a shock for them when they realize that Texas basically has no employee benefits, hate unions & believe corporations are God. Those Californian's willing to stay in such a depressing state like Texas actually improve the scene by voting Democratic & helping Texas combat the Bible-Belt mentality.

You do realize that the Democratic Party in Texas is very different from the Democratic Party in California?

A large number of Texan Democratic politicians would be Republicans in California. Texas has some of the most conservative Blue Dogs in the country. Austin and to some extent Dallas are exceptions but the image of the oldtime Texas "Dixiecrat" still has some basis in reality (fortunately without the racism of Texas Dems of old).

[californio sur]

Originally Posted by majoun

You do realize that the Democratic Party in Texas is very different from the Democratic Party in California?

A large number of Texan Democratic politicians would be Republicans in California. Texas has some of the most conservative Blue Dogs in the country. Austin and to some extent Dallas are exceptions but the image of the oldtime Texas "Dixiecrat" still has some basis in reality (fortunately without the racism of Texas Dems of old).

You are correct but there are some very progressive Democrats in Texas like Jim Hightower. Also Ron Paul would be more like a Republican in California [not concerned about social issues but more anti-big corporations].

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

My parents left in 2003. My dad had retired and they were able to sell their $13,000 home for $338,000 or something like that and buy a new one in Arizona for $132,000. They love their home and are not too concerned by the fact that yes it is now worth less than they paid for it. At the peak they told me homes in their neighbothood were selling for $290,000. Now the home next to them is on the market for $89,000 and one down the street from them is on the market for $99,000. For them they own that home and plan on staying for the remainder of their time here on this big rock of ours.

I would venture to say others that have been in their homes for decades that want to downsize or just retire to another area will do the same. Maybe they just dont like the fact that all their friends have left the old neighborhood and they want something differant. Call it white flight if you want. In my case my wife is Mexican and we would prefer an area with a little color to it.

Then again, who would want to leave this place? I can look out the window and see the Santa Barbara Channel from work. When I leave work for home I will have to drive past the ocean. It is a hard view to give up. It is in the 80's right now and the view is amazing. Who would want to move to someplace else? Saying that I realize that most of the people reading this don't see what I see everyday.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

My parents left in 2003.

How did your parents reconcile moving so far away from their grand kids?