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Old 04-06-2010, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Eureka CA
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She actually could have saved all the public schools with all the money she's spent on trying to get elected to save the public schools.

And to Nmnita... No offense but, I really wish you'd stop commenting about California's elections (at every opportunity) and who you would/wouldn't vote for if you lived here... you don't. Is it really this boring in Arkansas?
Come on now, since when are there residency rules? Half the posters on the California board live elsewhere but if they have some knowledge and an abiding interest in California ,what's wrong with hearing from them?
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Old 04-06-2010, 08:52 PM
 
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Its easy for people to blame California for its problems yet bail on the state themselves. We "are" the government esp in California where we have so much involvement in passing citizen legislation. Personally, I'd rather live in California where the people decide issues rather than some irresponsible state legislatures where the governors are fooling around with teenage prostitutes\ New York or Argentina lovers\ South Carolina. Anyway, reality is that California does not have enough $ to cover all the programs that voters approved. Like the "bullet" train. Why did California citizens vote for a super-expensive transportation initiative when the state was already in deep debt? There's a limit to what we can afford when the global economy is in a serious recession. I like Arnold & it doesn't matter if he is a Republican because being a Republican governor doesn't mean one bit of difference; they all rule the same = desperate!
That is precisely why California is to blame for its own problems . The state is nothing more than its people and the people in California keep voting for stupid and expensive initiatives like the transportation initiative . I could care less if a governor has an Argentine lover , at least dumb ole South Carolina has a balanced budget and some of the lowest taxes in the union and people are moving into that state , not out . I would not talk about other states ethics when one of the number one industries in California is PORN . I do not have a problem with Arnold , its that left wing liberal state legislature in Sacramento that's nuts . I did not leave the state , the state left me . It was a matter of survival . I am going to sit back and watch the liberal culture in California cannibalise itself . Liberals have absolutely ruined the greatest state in the union . This idiotic state will not even provide water to the farmers to help PEOPLE in order to protect a 2 inch minnow , are you kidding me .
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Old 04-06-2010, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Well at least CA residents haven't had to bring a lawsuit against their own Governor in order to save a federally funded health program being cut from the state budget, which happened recently here in Minnesota with Tim Pawlenty. Funny how he changed his mind when learning of being tracked for service of papers and now totes that back step in half truth to crowds he speaks to as some sort of political badge of honor; when in reality it is a huge disgrace, makes me wish he had stuck to his guns.

Anyways.. I would have to agree that in a state with so much support for citizen grown legislation, it would be hard to put the weight of an over sized budget on the seat of Governor. Course then again electing an party puppet wouldn't help anything, except their party. Gotta look hard with the evil eye nowadays before you can trust any politician, even then it usually boils down to a giant douche and the **** sandwich.
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Old 04-06-2010, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Bay Area
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Come on now, since when are there residency rules? Half the posters on the California board live elsewhere but if they have some knowledge and an abiding interest in California ,what's wrong with hearing from them?

I don't mind comments that have value- whether I agree or not. But you'd need to be familiar with previous postings on the California election by nmnita like.. "I won't be visiting California anymore if Brown is elected". Sometimes people just make comments that are not very informative or even debatable. I apologize that I'm impatient for people that come across as purposely daft. That's just my opinion.

As for Whitman..I don't care that she's a Republican. I don't think it matters when it comes to governorship. I just feel that she has zero experience with dealing with the political process (and for better or worse, she won't be able to figure out that she's not the boss). I don't like that she didn't find the political process important enough to participate prior.

As for her experience at EBay..I believe she rode the wave because it was a new concept, not for anything she actually did. Ceo's aren't interested in "creating jobs". They are interested in creating wealth for themselves and off shoring jobs as needed to save money..

I just don't think it's the right time for inexperience- that's something we can certainly take a chance on when we don't have the problems we are facing. I think we need someone that knows the ins and outs of Sacramento- and probably knows everyone there already too.

I also think that her spending massive amounts of money is disgusting really. So may the wealthiest person win? How fiscally conservative can she be if she's just throwing so much money out the window to pummel a guy that's pretty much already beat?

Anyway, I've said enough. I don't think Brown is the perfect candidate either- I think the state is in such a mess that I don't think even he can pull us out in a way that makes us more secure. If anything, he's certainly a lot more likable. Sorry for the length, btw.
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Old 04-07-2010, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Pasadena
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I don't mind comments that have value- whether I agree or not. But you'd need to be familiar with previous postings on the California election by nmnita like.. "I won't be visiting California anymore if Brown is elected". Sometimes people just make comments that are not very informative or even debatable. I apologize that I'm impatient for people that come across as purposely daft. That's just my opinion.

As for Whitman..I don't care that she's a Republican. I don't think it matters when it comes to governorship. I just feel that she has zero experience with dealing with the political process (and for better or worse, she won't be able to figure out that she's not the boss). I don't like that she didn't find the political process important enough to participate prior.

As for her experience at EBay..I believe she rode the wave because it was a new concept, not for anything she actually did. Ceo's aren't interested in "creating jobs". They are interested in creating wealth for themselves and off shoring jobs as needed to save money..

I just don't think it's the right time for inexperience- that's something we can certainly take a chance on when we don't have the problems we are facing. I think we need someone that knows the ins and outs of Sacramento- and probably knows everyone there already too.

I also think that her spending massive amounts of money is disgusting really. So may the wealthiest person win? How fiscally conservative can she be if she's just throwing so much money out the window to pummel a guy that's pretty much already beat?

Anyway, I've said enough. I don't think Brown is the perfect candidate either- I think the state is in such a mess that I don't think even he can pull us out in a way that makes us more secure. If anything, he's certainly a lot more likable. Sorry for the length, btw.
I agree with you, clongirl. What's funny is that Jerry Brown was probably the governor when Nita lived in California years ago & I'm sure that is not why she moved away! Jerry Brown is a former Catholic seminarian who has studied Zen & lives a very modest lifestyle. When he was governor, Brown drove himself in a beat-up old car & slept on a mattress on the floor. He refused to live in the Governor's Palace but instead rented an apartment near the Capitol. And Brown dated some interesting women including Linda Ronstadt. Even though it really doesn't matter what party a governor is from it is better that they be a Democrat in California since the overwhelming majority in the state assembly & senate are Democrats [and a few Greens who vote with the Democrats]. Democrats, in general, are more concerned about the people & don't get hung-up on stupid Biblebelt issues. Can anyone ever image governors like they have in Texas & other Southern states ever winning in California? We may have problems but at least California isn't a bunch of idiot rightwing nuts!
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Old 04-07-2010, 11:11 AM
 
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I am a fairly died-in-the wool moderate democrat and am strongly considering voting for a Republican governor this year (I also voted for Arnold who I still think is at his core, a moderate).

While I certainly do not agree with much of the Republican platform, given the entrenchment of the current state government it seems like a heavyweight conservative might throw a wrench into the status quo. I also strongly support large cutbacks of the state payroll, especially rooting out the massive waste and outright fraud in the public sector. A lot of public employees are taking the state for a ride. I don't really like Meg Whitman (actually liked Steve Poizner) but I don't really see how much damage she can actually do at this point.

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Old 04-07-2010, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Its easy for people to blame California for its problems yet bail on the state themselves. We "are" the government esp in California where we have so much involvement in passing citizen legislation. Personally, I'd rather live in California where the people decide issues rather than some irresponsible state legislatures where the governors are fooling around with teenage prostitutes\ New York or Argentina lovers\ South Carolina. Anyway, reality is that California does not have enough $ to cover all the programs that voters approved. Like the "bullet" train. Why did California citizens vote for a super-expensive transportation initiative when the state was already in deep debt? There's a limit to what we can afford when the global economy is in a serious recession. I like Arnold & it doesn't matter if he is a Republican because being a Republican governor doesn't mean one bit of difference; they all rule the same = desperate!
You seem to contradict yourself. You said you would rather live in a state where people (not the legislature) decide the issues, yet complain that the bullet train and similar items that were passed by the citizens.

It is fairly evident that a direct democracy does not work, as many initiatives tie the hands of the legislature. The voters want these projects/programs but do not want to pay for them.

The CA ballot initiative process should be reformed to act as a check and balance on the legislature - not act as a legislature, which is what it appears to have become.
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:14 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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I feel you, bro Some people accuse me of being some sort of California cop who goes after anyone who criticizes our state. But I respect any Californians even if I don't agree with them & even former Californians [Nita\ Curmudgeon] because they are still Californian's in their hearts or they wouldn't participate on this forum. There are posters who live in other states who attack California about everything & make-up huge exaggerations\ bold lies about the state. One guy claimed that Topanga Canyon was a crummy suburb of LA [not even knowing that Topanga is a steep beautiful canyon in the Santa Monica mts down to the Pacific]. I posted photos so other people won't believe the BS. Why do some people seem to go in orbit whenever California is mentioned in a thread yet nobody out here seems to care about the other states & their numerous problems? It's like being under attack all the time on some forums
Exactly! And as you said, I don't always agree with the former Californians either but I still do respect them because they at least know the state they're talking about.
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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That is precisely why California is to blame for its own problems . The state is nothing more than its people and the people in California keep voting for stupid and expensive initiatives like the transportation initiative . I could care less if a governor has an Argentine lover , at least dumb ole South Carolina has a balanced budget and some of the lowest taxes in the union and people are moving into that state , not out . I would not talk about other states ethics when one of the number one industries in California is PORN . I do not have a problem with Arnold , its that left wing liberal state legislature in Sacramento that's nuts . I did not leave the state , the state left me . It was a matter of survival . I am going to sit back and watch the liberal culture in California cannibalise itself . Liberals have absolutely ruined the greatest state in the union . This idiotic state will not even provide water to the farmers to help PEOPLE in order to protect a 2 inch minnow , are you kidding me .
Liberal this liberal that blah blah blah that argument is tired.
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:22 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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I agree with you, clongirl. What's funny is that Jerry Brown was probably the governor when Nita lived in California years ago & I'm sure that is not why she moved away! Jerry Brown is a former Catholic seminarian who has studied Zen & lives a very modest lifestyle. When he was governor, Brown drove himself in a beat-up old car & slept on a mattress on the floor. He refused to live in the Governor's Palace but instead rented an apartment near the Capitol. And Brown dated some interesting women including Linda Ronstadt. Even though it really doesn't matter what party a governor is from it is better that they be a Democrat in California since the overwhelming majority in the state assembly & senate are Democrats [and a few Greens who vote with the Democrats]. Democrats, in general, are more concerned about the people & don't get hung-up on stupid Biblebelt issues. Can anyone ever image governors like they have in Texas & other Southern states ever winning in California? We may have problems but at least California isn't a bunch of idiot rightwing nuts!
Deserves that as I cannot give you another rep at this time.
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