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Old 04-12-2010, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Earth
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....the final nail in the coffin of the CA middle class and the CA economy might be this proposed initiative which would raise alcohol taxes dramatically to the point that tens of thousands of people would be put out of jobs, countless businesses would have to close, and the state would essentially be closed to anyone other than the superwealthy:

Proposed California initiative would send taxes on beer, wine & spirits skyrocketing - San Francisco Business Times:

I can only hope this initiative does not make the ballot, and, if it does, it loses by a resounding margin, although given the judgment of the California voter in supporting measures that are blatantly bad for the economy because it "feels good", one can never be too optimistic about this losing. This could be a death blow to a major industry in the state and have ripple effects that could make even the slightest sort of economic recovery impossible.

If this passes then I am seriously going to start preparing to move out of state.
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:34 AM
 
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Wow, who's bright idea was that? At those rates, they're guaranteed to create a grey market of product brought in from out of state. Its not like Vegas or Tahoe are that far from the bulk of CA's population. I doubt it will pass though if voters actually know how much the cost would go up.
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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Genius proposition. Why don't they propose taxing breathing next?

Who suggests these kind of things? I really want to know what they are on. It seems to be pretty powerful stuff!
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:39 AM
 
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Why don't they propose taxing breathing next?
That's next. Have you heard of AB32?
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:52 AM
 
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Genius proposition. Why don't they propose taxing breathing next?

Who suggests these kind of things? I really want to know what they are on. It seems to be pretty powerful stuff!
I did some Googling on Kent and Josie Whitney. They are fundamentalist Christians from San Diego County and prohibitionists:

John on Wine – a wine blog
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Old 04-12-2010, 01:09 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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....the final nail in the coffin of the CA middle class and the CA economy might be this proposed initiative which would raise alcohol taxes dramatically to the point that tens of thousands of people would be put out of jobs, countless businesses would have to close, and the state would essentially be closed to anyone other than the superwealthy:

Proposed California initiative would send taxes on beer, wine & spirits skyrocketing - San Francisco Business Times:

I can only hope this initiative does not make the ballot, and, if it does, it loses by a resounding margin, although given the judgment of the California voter in supporting measures that are blatantly bad for the economy because it "feels good", one can never be too optimistic about this losing. This could be a death blow to a major industry in the state and have ripple effects that could make even the slightest sort of economic recovery impossible.

If this passes then I am seriously going to start preparing to move out of state.
Seriously...? You're thinking of leaving the state because you might have to pay a few cents more for a drink?!

Although wouldn't that be ironic if it's actually some uber-conservative Fundies behind this one....
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Old 04-12-2010, 01:18 AM
 
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Seriously...? You're thinking of leaving the state because you might have to pay a few cents more for a drink?!

Although wouldn't that be ironic if it's actually some uber-conservative Fundies behind this one....
Let's just say it might be the last straw considering there are many things about CA that I don't like already, which is a shame because it is my home.

The tax increase would be more than a few cents.

This would totally defeat the economic benefits from legalizing weed.

As for the ultraconservative fundies behind this: social conservatism and economic conservatism do not always go together ; e.g. Mike Huckabee being an extreme social conservative (whom the Whitneys probably love) and an economic moderate (liberal on some economic issues), and Ron Paul being an extreme economic conservative and a social moderate (if not for his views on abortion he'd be a social liberal). I can respect economic conservatism, OTOH social conservatism is something I have no use for and don't want to surround myself with in any way.
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Old 04-12-2010, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Whiteville Tennessee
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I'd say this is pretty much shooting yourself in the foot if y'all pass this. Sales will fall and unemployment will rise.
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Old 04-12-2010, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Sherman Oaks, CA
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I like the way the article states that the proceeds will go towards alcohol treatment programs, etc. Uh huh. With the state budget in such disarray does anyone really believe that would happen?
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Old 04-12-2010, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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Seriously...? You're thinking of leaving the state because you might have to pay a few cents more for a drink?!

Although wouldn't that be ironic if it's actually some uber-conservative Fundies behind this one....
Someone didn't read the article...
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“would push the tax on a six-pack of beer from 11 to $6.08, and raise the total tax on a 750 ml bottle of distilled spirits from 65 cents to $17.57.”
That is absolutely ridiculous!
I bet the blind fools behind this initiative actually consider it a positive alternative to the Cannabis legalization bill; Moral conservatism or fiscal stupidity I'm not sure which is worse for our country.
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