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Old 05-01-2010, 07:08 PM
 
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What if we believe that it is a serious hindrance to our quality of life and we don't have enough money to take care of everyone?
That didn't stop the Europeans from coming to the US and taking over the continent. If coming here was good enough for the Europeans, why can't it be good enough for Hispanics, Asians, etc etc.....

 
Old 05-01-2010, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Does the United States have a "human right" to attack other countries, overthrow their governments, grab their lands?
There is no correlation whatsoever between that issue(which I happen to agree with you on) and the issue of Illegal Immigration.

I realize that you are very idealistic and in a perfect world, we would be morally upright and consistent on all issues, but the issue of illegal immigration is so cut and dry to me.

I just don't see the reason for any opposition to be honest.

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Why is it that the US does not abide by rules that it imposes on others?
But that's just it-the US hasnt been abiding by its own rules to the detriment of cities and states that have endured added stress to their meager budgets.

Arizona has decided to do something about it and suddenly oppurtunists like Gavin Newsom come out of the woodwork to make noise and hopefully score some points with Latino voters.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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That didn't stop the Europeans from coming to the US and taking over the continent. If coming here was good enough for the Europeans, why can't it be good enough for Hispanics, Asians, etc etc.....
Yes, Europeans came through Ellis Island.

Millions were turned away at the discretion of the US government.

Why are some allowed to circumvent our discretion?
 
Old 05-01-2010, 07:17 PM
 
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Three questions:

1) Why do you hate this country?

2) Why are you living here?

3) Does NDFMNLF stand for Non Documented Foreigner Means Non Legal Foreigner? or Non Documented Foreigner Married to Non Legal Foreigner?

I know you. You are the former government employee from Sacramento who, after years of mooching off of California taxpayers, has decided to move to Missouri where "real Americans" (aka white people) live.....to enjoy your CA taxpayer-funded retirement pension. In your wake, you badmouth California on this forum at every chance you get. I get your style. It's a "scorched earth policy" perfected by the Nazis....i.e. make CA look bad since it is now dominated by non-whites. Since you, a white man, can no longer enjoy CA, you want to make sure that no one does.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 07:26 PM
 
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There is no correlation whatsoever between that issue(which I happen to agree with you on) and the issue of Illegal Immigration.
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The correlation is there alright. You may not see it, but that's because you may be compartmentalizing these issues in your head. Immigration and US intervention in foreign countries are both questions of sovereignty - two sides of the same coin. The US wants to protect its sovereignty by controlling immigration, yet it violates the sovereignty of other countries by willfully invading them or manipulating their politics. I call it BS.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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The correlation is there alright. You may not see it, but that's because you may be compartmentalizing these issues in your head. Immigration and US intervention in foreign countries are both questions of sovereignty - two sides of the same coin. The US wants to protect its sovereignty by controlling immigration, yet it violates the sovereignty of other countries by willfully invading them or manipulating their politics. I call it BS.
Well, I understand your point.

I respectfully disgaree, but I do understand.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Oh brother, has this taken some odd turns.

How about the major league ball clubs take the lead on the boycott, and refuse to allow their minor league clubs to begin their season in Arizona in a couple of months? How about if they shut down their currently operating extended spring training and rehab operations in metro Phoenix?

Dodgers are currently operating in Glendale, Giants in Scottsdale, A's in Phoenix, Angels in Tempe and Padres in Peoria, Arizona.

That is making an immediate statement.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Before it gets to that point, I have a feeling that the Supreme Court will strike it down anyways.

Just remember, California passed Proposition 187 (1994) that would have denied illegal immigrants rights to public services by a wide margin. The Supreme Court struck it down.

California Proposition 187 (1994) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The federal government passed a law in 1940 that required any non-citizen inside the United States to show proof of being legal upon request.

This law is clearly constitutional. It is not unique to Arizona. It has been the law of the U.S. for 70 years.
 
Old 05-01-2010, 08:13 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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I know you. You are the former government employee from Sacramento who, after years of mooching off of California taxpayers, has decided to move to Missouri where "real Americans" (aka white people) live.....to enjoy your CA taxpayer-funded retirement pension. In your wake, you badmouth California on this forum at every chance you get. I get your style. It's a "scorched earth policy" perfected by the Nazis....i.e. make CA look bad since it is now dominated by non-whites. Since you, a white man, can no longer enjoy CA, you want to make sure that no one does.
No! You don't know me. And since at least seven members of my family perished in the Holocaust, I don't appreciate your Nazi reference. If you could really read you'd also know that I have said many complimentary things about California when warranted.

Ad hominem attacks don't answer the questions and are signs of a very weak argument. If that's the best you can do, you truly are irrelevant.

G'Day!
 
Old 05-01-2010, 08:28 PM
 
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No! You don't know me. And since at least seven members of my family perished in the Holocaust, I don't appreciate your Nazi reference. !
Oh really? Which SS division did your seven relatives serve in during the Holocaust before the Allies eliminated them?
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