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Old 05-15-2010, 11:15 AM
 
Location: California
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We arent talking about people who are abusing the system.

Most of the people who stand to be affected by this really need the help. We can't turn our backs on poor people, sick people, elderly people and our babies. They are not living luxuriously at public expense-they are simply surviving.

We have to come up with something else.
They may not be "abusing" the system but the system itself is abusive to the State. We should never have started some of these programs. You can't GIVE what you don't HAVE. I don't know why that is so hard for people to understand. I'm not coldhearted, but the bottom line is that nobody should be dependednt on anyone else to give them money. THAT is the starting point. From there, States, governments, charities, individuals, etc..can give and help as they can. Right now, the State CAN'T since it spread itself too thin. In order to help the most people, some programs will have to go.

And we HAVE come up with other things. Budgets have been cut everywhere, jobs have been lost, funding has been lost. If we keep going we will ONLY be a welfare state with nothing else to offer anyone. Even our wonderful university system will tank. Then, there is no hope for anyone. People aren't going to die, they will adapt, change, move, adjust. That is always the case.
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Old 05-15-2010, 11:57 AM
 
Location: RSM
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We can't afford it. End of story. Social programs are excess. Unless it pertains to education, it should be cut.

There are other means of saving money, but the federal courts struck down Prop 187 and they'll be fighting Arizona soon enough. Some estimates suggest half of our prison population are illegal immigrants. CA has the largest prison population in the nation. The state spends at least 10$billion a year supporting illegal immigrants. If people want to save their social programs, they have to come to grips with the fact that one of the largest costs that can be immediately saved(and theoretically halve our deficit) is cutting off the illegal immigrants.
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:18 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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We can't afford it. End of story. Social programs are excess. Unless it pertains to education, it should be cut.

There are other means of saving money, but the federal courts struck down Prop 187 and they'll be fighting Arizona soon enough. Some estimates suggest half of our prison population are illegal immigrants. CA has the largest prison population in the nation. The state spends at least 10$billion a year supporting illegal immigrants. If people want to save their social programs, they have to come to grips with the fact that one of the largest costs that can be immediately saved(and theoretically halve our deficit) is cutting off the illegal immigrants.
Calif has Always gone above and beyond what other States offer in terms of welfare for the public. If Calif would just be more in line with the other States and cut off aid to children of illegals and the illegals themselves, much of their budget crisis could be solved.
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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The collapse of welfare states is never pretty but its inevitable. Once you start giving away public funds to a million different groups of people, it becomes impossible to slowly back yourself away from the financial cliff. No one will give up "their" government money until the well simply runs dry.
Sad but true. My heart goes out to those who really do need government assistance, but you are right, it takes something like this to get a few more off their rumps. Again, remember, I am not saying everyone on welfare should get off, but if this is what it takes, it will have to be accepted.

Nita
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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We arent talking about people who are abusing the system.

Most of the people who stand to be affected by this really need the help. We can't turn our backs on poor people, sick people, elderly people and our babies. They are not living luxuriously at public expense-they are simply surviving.

We have to come up with something else.
But the unfortunite thing is: those who do and there are many are one of the problems.

NIta
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:59 PM
 
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Calif has Always gone above and beyond what other States offer in terms of welfare for the public. If Calif would just be more in line with the other States and cut off aid to children of illegals and the illegals themselves, much of their budget crisis could be solved.
The problem is that those children of illegals are often citizens and entitled to all the benefits of being a poor citizen.
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Old 05-15-2010, 01:11 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Calif has Always gone above and beyond what other States offer in terms of welfare for the public. If Calif would just be more in line with the other States and cut off aid to children of illegals and the illegals themselves, much of their budget crisis could be solved.
And therein lies a big part of the problem -- the state's former generosity. The state has been a welfare magnet for years, even without it's beauty and weather. That's why it has 10% of the country's population and 32% of its welfare rolls. It's not sustainable. It hasn't been. But the people have not had the will to confront and change it.
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Old 05-15-2010, 01:13 PM
 
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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When you need a two-thirds majority to get just about anything done, its a recipe for disaster. CA needs to change their state constitution if they expect to move forward with solving their current problems.
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Old 05-15-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default Not surprising from this unqualified Neanderthal

Shame on the people of the state for electing this unqualified Neanderthal to be Governor. He's a Republican which means he has major, major flaws in not only his judgment, but his instincts. Absolutely no creative, novel solutions to the particular problems of this state, just the same old Republican nonsense of keeping taxes low and giving the shaft to those who are less fortunate or in the minority...even if doing such does NOT stop the state from its economic free fall.
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Old 05-15-2010, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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But the unfortunite thing is: those who do and there are many are one of the problems.

NIta
I have no problem cutting off those who abuse the system including people who are not in the US legally.

But its unconscionable to me that we would cut off medicine and food to people who by old age, or illness or poverty, have no way of providing those things for themselves.
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