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Old 05-20-2010, 02:46 AM
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May someone explain all the brewhahaha people in California/Across the U.S are making about Ariz. Law? As I recall, across all 50 states you are to have your ID on you at all times. If cops are looking for suspects of a crime or suspect you of wrong doing they may approach you and ask for ID. If you don't have one, they are within their right to take you downtown and verify who you are.

Two laws then :
1) California Education Code prohibits illegals in public colleges: "66010.8. (a) No public institution of postsecondary education shall admit, enroll, or permit the attendance of any person who is not a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a
permanent resident in the United States, or a person who is otherwise authorized under federal law to be present in the United States."
Article 2. Comprehensive Mission Statement - Sections 66010.1-66010.8 - California Education Code - California Code :: Justia

2) CA Cops Must Check Citizenship: Penal Code: 834b(1): "(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status."
CHAPTER 5. ARREST, BY WHOM AND HOW MADE - Sections 833-851.90 - California Penal Code - California Code :: Justia


For #1 ..
How is this the case yet :
Martinez v. UC Regents, Cal S. Ct. No. S167791 regarding Education Code 68130.5 that grants instate tuition benefits to illegal aliens who are not entitled to residency. UC Regents admit in briefing that 26 percent of the Cal State and UC system’s student body is illegal alien.

Additionally, illegal aliens are not required to submit federal FAFSA required of every student to determine financial aid status under federal standards and under threat of prosecution for perjury because the schools fear that illegal aliens would not apply for student aid, if there might be a chance that their illegal status were made known, so illegal aliens are exempted from filing the forms required of all students, because they are illegal aliens.

.. I guess lawyers can work magic of language/law :

For #2
Do people find this currently booked law for california to be racists? Inhumane? unconstitutional? etc....

For both #1, #2 .. for federal and state laws.. Where do people get off defending states/politicians/senators/congressman/basketball teams/j6p/every tom dick and hary who don't support the enforcement of booked laws which exist for a reason?

I want to get at the truth here. Thus, i will take any factual corrections and logical arguments constructively and with open arms. If you make a reference to a figure or data, please provide a link to the source of your data.
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Old 05-20-2010, 01:34 PM
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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Here is the deal, we don't in this nation have a need for immigration reform. What we have is a need for enforcement reform. We are not enforcing laws that we have on the books now. From what I hear and read immigration reform comes down to giving a pass to those that are here now. Lets make them citizens and stop calling them law breakers or illegals. Why should we do that? Why not call a spade a spade and enforce the laws we have now. Why aren't more people talking about the fact that the wording of the Arizona law is included in both California Law almost verbatem and also part of the National law. The fact is that the Arizona law says that the state is going to follow Federal law and spells out how they will do it. If they are racist in Arizona then we here in California are also racist for having a similar law on the books. Funny though that this isn't about racism. This is about the legal right to be in this Nation of ours. No one is saying don't come here to the United States. Everyone is saying just follow the law when entering. If someone can't follow the law when they enter this nation, how can we expect that they will follow any of our laws?
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