Yorba Linda votes to support Arizona (Los Angeles, San Diego: contractors, subdivision, living)

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Originally Posted by EscapeCalifornia

I don't leave home without ID, namely my drivers license. Why don't you? That's all anyone in Arizona needs on them to be presumed to be here legally under this law.

You do realize that many states' driver's license will not be sufficient for them?? So you may think you are covered -but in reality you are not. But it won't matter if the officer thinks you look like what an "American" is supposed to look like. It will all of a sudden matter if that particular officer thinks you look like an illegal. That is the thing-it is so subjective.

Plus I love to walk and go over to get my coffee-not a gym person. I just carry the cash-so now I am supposed to carry my state id, plus any otherid-birth certificate etc, because otherwise I can be thrown in jail. No thanks-will stay out of that state-I vacation to chill and relax and not be worried ..

Like I said, if you are the majority demographic -you don't have to worry about such things, as you probably will not be asked. But for others who call this country home and cherish its freedoms, these laws don't make sense at all.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by EscapeCalifornia

I don't leave home without ID, namely my drivers license. Why don't you?

Gone swimming with your wallet lately? Wonder if the AZ cops hang out by the river (or any body of water) - they'd have a field day picking people off. Perhaps we should just microchip or tattoo everybody...

[Clarks]

I don't leave home without ID, namely my drivers license. Why don't you?

According to my information a driver's license will not be considered proof of citizenship by AZ.
Americans do not have to carry proof of citizenship, and never have, except free blacks prior to 1865, and of course, now in Arizona.

I find it shocking that the people who complainvociferously about big government are all lieing down like sheep on this new intrusion of big government into people's lives.

Ben Franklin said, "Those who would trade liberty for security, deserve neither."

[Huckleberry3911948]

why would anyone not support AZ?
they are only attempting to enforce the immigration law the federal congress swore to uphold.
the feds, they are the good guys right? why doesnt it feel that way?

[Clarks]

No, you have listened to some people, but not read the bill, only in some paragraphs does it correlate to Federal law, here is the crux of the problem, and what you should be concerned about.

B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

This states that any government employee, it is not limited to law enforcement can stop a person.
This states, "any lawful contact".
This does not mean that a person must have violated or been suspected of violating an law. At the beach the other day the state park ranger was walking the beach talking to beach goers, each contact he made was a "lawful contact". According to SB1070 he could as each person on the beach for proof of citizenship or legal residency.

The law also leaves this undefined; "WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES"
What is reasonable suspicion? skin color? accent?

Since an LEO or agent who does not as for documents can be sued by any individual in the state, the LEO or agent may be forced to ask everyone with whom lawful contact is made for documents. That is not the American way.

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California, Colorado, Utah, Texas and some other states have the same laws on the books in almost similar words as the Arizona law and do not choose to enforce the law. The Federal Government also has the law that the state laws are based on and they choose not to enforce it. No one including the state of Arizona is against immigration. They are against those that choose to break the law and enter illegally. What part of illegal do people not understand?

San Diego was planning on boycotting and rescinded that boycot. It seems that many people in Arizona keep boats in San Diego, have business ties to San Diego. The word went out that many in Arizona had decided to boycot San Diego and that city changed its tune.

[Clarks]

The Federal Government also has the law that the state laws are based on and they choose not to enforce it.

Please read the Federal statute and the SB1070. Compare and contrast.

My Truck gets 600 miles per tank. Our visit to Arizona this year will look much like this; We will fuel up in Needles, drive to the Hualapai Reservation and tour old route 66. If we buy food or curios we will buy from the indians on the Federal Reservation. From there we will go to the Grand Canyon, we will use the Federal campground and visit the rim. From there, we will go to the Hopi Res, and the Navajo Res, we will tour Shongopovi on the Hopi Res and Canyon De Chelly in the Federal Park on the Federal Res. Any money we will spend will be on Federal Land, and given either to the NPS or Reservation Indians. From their we will enter New Mexico, fuel and grocery up.
Ain't going to affect AZ much, but, we will do our part.

Now, you are going to assume I am in favor of illegal immigration, actually I am not in favor of any immigration legal or illegal, we have too many people in this country already.

However, no one in the United States has ever been required to carry proof of citizenship except free blacks prior to 1865, I consider being required to carry proof of my citizenship an invasion of my privacy under the Constitution.

How anyone can see this as a good thing, is beyond my ken.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by californio sur

It is not surprising that the few towns in California taking a pro-Arizona law position happen to be in Orange county [the only coastal county in California to vote Republican]. Always out of sync with the rest of the state, the old white people [who emigrated to California from the Midwest & South] are finally dying off

Man, you have such a way of putting things sometimes LOL

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by smh1

You know if they are like border patrol where they ask everybody, that is one thing. The police are going to ask someone who "looks" illegal. That would be people like me-even though I am not hispanic. Most hispanic folks seem to tell the difference, but many other folks just assume I am hispanic, because I am brown skinned.

I think most will be singing a different tune if the majority also faced the same possibility of being thrown in jail if they didn't carry the right form of id. Cries of big govt and communism/socialism and massive protests will probably erupt . But as we have seen in history, if you can separate out a minority and the majority is comfortable it won't affect them, they pretty much go along with any atrocious action. The usual if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear argument-well I am sure plenty of dictatorships used that argument too.Starts off simple and then history is filled with example what happens .

There are tons of laws against hiring illegals. I worked in a field filled with immigrnats-the legal kind. They all had their papers -of course now the jobs moved to another country. But why can't the govt enforce the same laws there? Because then people can get arrested-the majority. People like bernard kerik who was almost nominated to Homeland secuirty , before it was discovered he hired an illegal immigrant as a nanny I think? I do know quite a few who gripe about the illegals and then have no qualms hiring them to do yard work or cleaning their homes either. They are breaking the same law too-why not go after them?? What use is this discriminatory law, if you can't even enforce existing laws.

You've answered this question when you said:

f you can separate out a minority and the majority is comfortable it won't affect them, they pretty much go along with any atrocious action. The usual if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear

That's why. It will have no impact on them so as far as they're concerned, the law is fine...because it doesn't impact them. Selfishness at it's finest.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by EscapeCalifornia

I don't leave home without ID, namely my drivers license. Why don't you? That's all anyone in Arizona needs on them to be presumed to be here legally under this law.

Oh come on are serious right now? If a cop stops me as a black man who speaks English well do you really think he's going to ask me anything? Or a blonde haired blue eyed person? Hell, that cop may not even stop that person for the same thing.