Yorba Linda votes to support Arizona (Oakland, Brea: dangerous, title, office)

[Clarks]

Originally Posted by californio sur
It is not surprising that the few towns in California taking a pro-Arizona law position happen to be in Orange county [the only coastal county in California to vote Republican]. Always out of sync with the rest of the state, the old white people [who emigrated to California from the Midwest & South] are finally dying off

You forgot San Luis Obispo County, it is Republican and has a 300 million dollar a year ag business utterly dependent on illegal labor.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by smh1

You do realize that many states' driver's license will not be sufficient for them?? So you may think you are covered -but in reality you are not. But it won't matter if the officer thinks you look like what an "American" is supposed to look like. It will all of a sudden matter if that particular officer thinks you look like an illegal. That is the thing-it is so subjective.

Plus I love to walk and go over to get my coffee-not a gym person. I just carry the cash-so now I am supposed to carry my state id, plus any otherid-birth certificate etc, because otherwise I can be thrown in jail. No thanks-will stay out of that state-I vacation to chill and relax and not be worried ..

Like I said, if you are the majority demographic -you don't have to worry about such things, as you probably will not be asked. But for others who call this country home and cherish its freedoms, these laws don't make sense at all.

Exactly, if I just walk down the hill to the store, I don't take my whole wallet, I take the change I need.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

why would anyone not support AZ?
they are only attempting to enforce the immigration law the federal congress swore to uphold.
the feds, they are the good guys right? why doesnt it feel that way?

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

California, Colorado, Utah, Texas and some other states have the same laws on the books in almost similar words as the Arizona law and do not choose to enforce the law. The Federal Government also has the law that the state laws are based on and they choose not to enforce it. No one including the state of Arizona is against immigration. They are against those that choose to break the law and enter illegally. What part of illegal do people not understand?

San Diego was planning on boycotting and rescinded that boycot. It seems that many people in Arizona keep boats in San Diego, have business ties to San Diego. The word went out that many in Arizona had decided to boycot San Diego and that city changed its tune.

This is not correct. I live in San Diego and as far as I have been aware, the city never mentioned a boycott. San Diego condemned the law and that was it.

Here are the cities that boycotted for clarification:

San Francisco
Los Angeles
Milwaukee, WI
Austin, TX
West Hollywood, CA
Boston, MA
Oakland, CA
St. Paul, MN
Washington D.C.
New York City
Boulder, CO
Seattle, WA
Brownsville, TX
Hartford, CT
Coachella, CA
El Paso, TX
Columbus, OH

List of cities boycotting or condemning Arizona | Voto Latino - Be Counted...Represent! (http://www.votolatino.org/becounted/2010/05/list-of-cities-boycotting-arizona/ - broken link)

[Oakland Uptown]

How come the same people that scream Obama is taking away their rights, don't care about this? You all actually feel it's perfectly ok for local governments to question you based on suspicion? If that's the case you all need to stop crying about your rights being taken away. I thought you didn't like big government in your business, now you want their help? What a joke.

[Iceman82]

Originally Posted by Clarks

You forgot San Luis Obispo County, it is Republican and has a 300 million dollar a year ag business utterly dependent on illegal labor.

Far from it. Historically people have migrated to the AG areas for harvesting, to return home later. We have something called H2A visas that allow for temporary workers from south of our border. In 2008 there was 65K issued for Mexican workers. Because of the IRCA farmers used FLC's in greater numbers (FLC's are contractors that supply labor to farmers). These FLC's circumvent the law by being sub contractors for the farmers, keeping them from breaking immigration laws. We unfortunately have a huge base of illegal immigrants living here right now, lessening the need for H2A visas- but we would not have a shortage if illegal immigrants were deported, that is a myth. We would simply issue more H2A visas as the demand grew. So for you to say " utterly dependent on illegal labor" is a complete lie. I love how people think we would be in ruin without illegal immigrants... there is always visas depending on the need, with millions of people waiting for a chance.

[Bulldogdad]

Originally Posted by Clarks

According to my information a driver's license will not be considered proof of citizenship by AZ.
Americans do not have to carry proof of citizenship, and never have, except free blacks prior to 1865, and of course, now in Arizona.

I find it shocking that the people who complainvociferously about big government are all lieing down like sheep on this new intrusion of big government into people's lives.

Ben Franklin said, "Those who would trade liberty for security, deserve neither."

You need to refer to Arizona HB2162, your information is wrong.
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/files/pdf/hb2162.pdf

[Iceman82]

Originally Posted by Clarks

No, you have listened to some people, but not read the bill, only in some paragraphs does it correlate to Federal law, here is the crux of the problem, and what you should be concerned about.


This states that any government employee, it is not limited to law enforcement can stop a person.
This states, "any lawful contact".
This does not mean that a person must have violated or been suspected of violating an law. At the beach the other day the state park ranger was walking the beach talking to beach goers, each contact he made was a "lawful contact". According to SB1070 he could as each person on the beach for proof of citizenship or legal residency.

The law also leaves this undefined; "WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES"
What is reasonable suspicion? skin color? accent?

Since an LEO or agent who does not as for documents can be sued by any individual in the state, the LEO or agent may be forced to ask everyone with whom lawful contact is made for documents. That is not the American way.

You are sooooo wrong. What is it with the pro illegal immigrant crowd always lying? I love how you are talking about the original bill. let me clarify what the bill really says on that point: "For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation." NO ID?? NO PROBLEM! give the LE your DL#, SSN, ETC. I am sooo tired of the disinformation going around ont his forum.. and it tires me to watch you all feeding off each others lies. READ THE LAW. There is nothing racist, etc about it. LAWFUL CONTACT WAS TAKEN OUT

[Bulldogdad]

Almost every post here refers to SB1070. You need to site HB2126 the updated version of the original bill in question. I believe every assertion provided so far is related to SB 1070.

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....ls/hb2162c.htm

[Oakland Uptown]

Originally Posted by Iceman82

You are sooooo wrong. What is it with the pro illegal immigrant crowd always lying? I love how you are talking about the original bill. let me clarify what the bill really says on that point: "For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation." NO ID?? NO PROBLEM! give the LE your DL#, SSN, ETC. I am sooo tired of the disinformation going around ont his forum.. and it tires me to watch you all feeding off each others lies. READ THE LAW. There is nothing racist, etc about it. LAWFUL CONTACT WAS TAKEN OUT

What did he say that was any different than that. What do you think "reasonable suspicion of alien status" means? Are you serious? Of course when you have no history of being harassed by the police, this type of thing doesn't bother you. Ohhh yeah it's perfectly fine to be questioned about your immigration status. Oh wait, because as a white person you never will be.