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Old 01-11-2011, 05:00 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Only in Canada are these people indulged. And only in Canada is a party like the Bloc whose raison d'etre is the destruction of the country, allowed to exist. It's part of our masochistic, pussycat DNA.
I don't think its unique to Canada. We've got the Second Vermont Republic movement in Vermont, and some other less liked secession parties. Other countries have their secession movements. Czechoslovakia did peacefully split into two countries. Belgium has its secessionists, as does Scotland.

I was surprised when I saw a militia in Canada.
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Old 01-11-2011, 05:19 AM
 
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Going to be hilarious if Quebec does ultimately vote to separate from Canada only to find that it would be an illegal act because the courts find that Quebec belongs to all Canadians not just the ones living in Quebec..

Booo Hisss Maudit Anglais
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Old 01-11-2011, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Going to be hilarious if Quebec does ultimately vote to separate from Canada only to find that it would be an illegal act because the courts find that Quebec belongs to all Canadians not just the ones living in Quebec..

Booo Hisss Maudit Anglais
You've never heard of the Clarity Act?
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Old 01-11-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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Either havent heard of it or i've forgotten about it. As acts of any government can get quite long and full of legalese language whats the gist / meaning of the clarity act?
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Old 01-11-2011, 12:16 PM
 
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In short, a region cannot unilaterally secede without negoatiation with the country it is trying to separate from. The referendum question would have to be clear first and foremost.

Also, a simple majority (50% + 1) would likely not suffice, because such a vote is too unstable and not by any stretch convincing. They would need a supermajority like 3/5 or 2/3.

Finally, it allows for federalist areas within Quebec to secede from Quebec.

A bunch of other stuff regarding minorities' rights and First Nations as well, but that's the gist.
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Old 01-11-2011, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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In short, a region cannot unilaterally secede without negoatiation with the country it is trying to separate from. The referendum question would have to be clear first and foremost.

Also, a simple majority (50% + 1) would likely not suffice, because such a vote is too unstable and not by any stretch convincing. They would need a supermajority like 3/5 or 2/3.

Finally, it allows for federalist areas within Quebec to secede from Quebec.

A bunch of other stuff regarding minorities' rights and First Nations as well, but that's the gist.
It doesn't say anything specific about 50%+1 being sufficient or not, nor does it qualify the supermajority. It is also not explicit about federalist areas in a separating province seceding from it to remain in Canada. But it does allude to aboriginal and minority rights it is true.

The full text of the Act:

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Old 01-11-2011, 02:38 PM
 
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Thanks for the link. I think the 'clear majority' language alludes to the opportunity to decline a very small majority. As far as the issue of the divisibility of Quebec, my bad, I thought it was in the Act. It definitely was part of the debate 'hey if Quebec can secede from Canada, why can't a region within it (say West Island) secede from Quebec?'
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Old 01-12-2011, 01:46 AM
 
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It definitely was part of the debate 'hey if Quebec can secede from Canada, why can't a region within it (say West Island) secede from Quebec?'
More importantly if Quebec can secede from Canada why not BC or Alberta etc.
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Old 01-12-2011, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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As far as the issue of the divisibility of Quebec, my bad, I thought it was in the Act. It definitely was part of the debate 'hey if Quebec can secede from Canada, why can't a region within it (say West Island) secede from Quebec?'
It certainly was, but the Clarity Act does not really provide any certainties on this.
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Old 01-12-2011, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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More importantly if Quebec can secede from Canada why not BC or Alberta etc.
Well, the Clarity Act does not allude to any specific province, so it does legally apply to BC, Alberta and all the others as well.
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