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Old 07-22-2007, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Detroit Suburbs
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I am a brand new member here, and absolutely love this forum. I've found a wealth of information here that would have taken me months to find out on my own.

Having said that, there is still a few questions I have about moving to Canada. Specifically the Toronto area. I am currently a manager in the hospitality industry, in which I have 16 years of experience. My wife has an English degree. I took a practice test twice at the canadian immigration site to determine my eligibilty to move there. Once I said I had a job lined up, and once where I didn't. From what it said, I basically have to have a job, and I can get moving on the immigration process. Without a job, it won't be as easy, but there are other options. With my experience and knowledge of the hospitality industry, I don't think finding a job will be difficult. I really don't want to move until I have one anyway. However, I've seen and read that immigration process can take up to 2 years. How do I go about looking for a job in Toronto, if I don't know how long it will be before I can move there? I don't think anyone will hold a postion for an american who may not arrive for another year or 2. I'm hoping someone who's done this before or knows someone that did, can give me some insight.

My other are of intrest is the surrounding Toronto area. I am married with 3 kids and 2 dogs. We don't want to move into the city. I've been there about 6 times to visit, but never looking to move there. From what I've read, housing is expensive there, and we really don't want to be in the middle of everything. Right now we live about 20 minutes outside Detroit, and think that's about the ideal distance we want to be from the city. Closer would be ok, but not really any further. So, what would be a nice close suburb of Toronto? I'm looking a home big enough for my family, and under the $200,000 range, preferably around $150 - $175,000.

Thanks for your help everyone!
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Old 07-22-2007, 10:50 PM
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As a Canadian of 36 years who just left Canada I feel I can offer you some advice. Toronto is just 4hrs down the road from where I lived so I also know the city rather well.

Your prices for housing are unrealistic. You won't even get a 2/2 condo for your upper price in the suburbs of Toronto. Condos and really cheap townhomes start at about $250,000 in the burbs. Get into downtown Toronto and you're a half million starting price for a 1/1 condo.

Thornhill is a nice suburb of Toronto but your price point just won't get you in the door there. It is mainly single family homes and you're easily $400K+. To get into the sub $200K range you're going to have to get a couple of hours outside the Toronto city limits (that is 2hrs in midnight traffic levels)

As far as a 20 minute drive, you can't get 2 blocks in Toronto in 20mins from 5:30am until about 10:30am and again from about 3:00pm until 7:00pm. Getting out of the city to the burbs is easily a couple hour task barring any accidents on the Don Valley or other arterials.

Insofar as getting into Canada, I have a hard time understanding how it can be very hard. Canada takes anybody and a look at the ethnic makeup of Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal pretty much prove that. If you are at all racially intolerent towards Asians, Arabs, Pakistanis/Indians, Jamaicans, Somalians, Rawandans etc... then Canada is not for you. Vancouver and Toronto just passed the milestone of having the white population become the minority in those cities. Montreal and Ottawa are said to be about 3-5 years from hitting that mark if immigration patterns continue status quo.

My point being that immigration to Canada appears to be a joke with them accepting anyone who has a pulse and a desire to sponge off of what is now a ridiculously socialist society.

My real question for you is why in the blue hell would you want to go to Canada? Taxation is insane. Personal income tax rates are outrageous. Provincial and Federal taxation is insane. The cost of living is out of control in most major metropolitan areas with everything from gas to groceries to utility prices being insanly expensive. Property taxes are crazy with taxes on a $250,000 townhome easily hitting $4600 per year.

Unless you're going to Canada for some noble cause like to care for ill family, I'd really reconsider your choice.

And yes, Canada does have universal health care, but it isn't all it is cracked up to be folks. It doesn't cover as much as it used to and you pay a lot more out of your pocket that you used to (unless you want to get a sex change, which the government will pay for 100%, but don't need eyeglasses because those you will have to pay for 100% out of your own pocket!).

I work in a field where we deal with lots of large corporations and big money. I can tell you first hand that lots of money is leaving Canada. Many are divesting of their Canadian holdings due to the insane taxation and the highly socialist direction the country has taken. You just can't do business in Canada anymore, it simply does not make financial sense. Don't even get me started on Corporate tax rates.

Also, there are gang issues in downtown Toronto. Don't go there after dark. It has all the typical "big city" issues of any comperable American city. Don't be fooled into thinking Canada doesn't have those issues. They can make up all the glossy tourist brochures they want but watch the local news any night and you have murders and stabbings and roberies galore. I'd feel safer walking in downtown Detroit than I would in downtown Toronto.

There is my 2 from a 36yr citizen of Canada and the Province of Ontario.
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:05 AM
 
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As a Canadian of 36 years who just left Canada I feel I can offer you some advice. Toronto is just 4hrs down the road from where I lived so I also know the city rather well.

IF Toronto is 4 hours away from where you live, Then yo don't really know Toronto that well, cause you don't live there 24/7.

Your prices for housing are unrealistic. You won't even get a 2/2 condo for your upper price in the suburbs of Toronto. Condos and really cheap townhomes start at about $250,000 in the burbs. Get into downtown Toronto and you're a half million starting price for a 1/1 condo.

This is TRUE.

Thornhill is a nice suburb of Toronto but your price point just won't get you in the door there. It is mainly single family homes and you're easily $400K+. To get into the sub $200K range you're going to have to get a couple of hours outside the Toronto city limits (that is 2hrs in midnight traffic levels

This is not true, 400K Will give you a semi in Thornhill.

As far as a 20 minute drive, you can't get 2 blocks in Toronto in 20mins from 5:30am until about 10:30am and again from about 3:00pm until 7:00pm. Getting out of the city to the burbs is easily a couple hour task barring any accidents on the Don Valley or other arterials.

Are you kidding? Stop the B.S.

Insofar as getting into Canada, I have a hard time understanding how it can be very hard. Canada takes anybody and a look at the ethnic makeup of Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal pretty much prove that. If you are at all racially intolerent towards Asians, Arabs, Pakistanis/Indians, Jamaicans, Somalians, Rawandans etc... then Canada is not for you. Vancouver and Toronto just passed the milestone of having the white population become the minority in those cities. Montreal and Ottawa are said to be about 3-5 years from hitting that mark if immigration patterns continue status quo.

My point being that immigration to Canada appears to be a joke with them accepting anyone who has a pulse and a desire to sponge off of what is now a ridiculously socialist society.

A classic case of a Bitter "OLD" Canadian (blame the new Immigrant), Who's think most new Canadian that came here are all about stealing from our society, I heard this too many times, luckily most "OLD" Canadian don't think like you. I'm very proud of Toronto and the harmony of it Multiculturalism.

My real question for you is why in the blue hell would you want to go to Canada? Taxation is insane. Personal income tax rates are outrageous. Provincial and Federal taxation is insane. The cost of living is out of control in most major metropolitan areas with everything from gas to groceries to utility prices being insanly expensive. Property taxes are crazy with taxes on a $250,000 townhome easily hitting $4600 per year.

I agreed with you that we have a lot of taxes. Althought your property tax $$ is totally out of wack.

And yes, Canada does have universal health care, but it isn't all it is cracked up to be folks. It doesn't cover as much as it used to and you pay a lot more out of your pocket that you used to (unless you want to get a sex change, which the government will pay for 100%, but don't need eyeglasses because those you will have to pay for 100% out of your own pocket!).

Our healthcare is not the best, But we don't have issue of people dying in the Emergency room because he/she don't have insurance. I don't have to pay a penny, when both of my kids go thought their one year string of shots.
countless # of visit to the doctor, and a Minor surgery that my son has.



Also, there are gang issues in downtown Toronto. Don't go there after dark. It has all the typical "big city" issues of any comperable American city. Don't be fooled into thinking Canada doesn't have those issues. They can make up all the glossy tourist brochures they want but watch the local news any night and you have murders and stabbings and roberies galore. I'd feel safer walking in downtown Detroit than I would in downtown Toronto.

There is no Gang Issue in Dowtown Toronto, However we do have gangs in "rough neighbourhood" ,but unless you are looking for drug, why would yo walking around in the rough neighbourhood at night. I am a Torontonian for 25 years and counting and i can tell you that you don't know much about my city.
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:23 AM
 
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You can start with these sites:

Job Search:
Monster.ca - Today's The Day!
workopolis.com - Job Search, Job Listings Canada -- 50,000+ Jobs
Job Bank - Search

Local Paper:
TheStar.com
globeandmail.com: Canada's National Newspaper
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Detroit Suburbs
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Are you talking American or Canadian dollars? I know there isn't that much of a difference, but I'd still like to know. And really? There's no town semi close to Toronto that doesn't have sub $200,000 homes? When I was looking to move to Chicago,I was told the same thing, but found numerous homes within my price range in surrounding towns. I know if someone to ask me the same question about Detroit, I could tell them how expensive homes are, but with the right agent and a little footwork, you could find a nice place like Redford, where I live, with reasonably priced homes. I'm not looking for people to disuade me, just people to be honest. Thanks.
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:25 PM
 
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5e2canada,

Towns within a 30 mile radius of Toronto are primarily bedroom communities. Hundreds of thousands of people commute to Toronto on a daily basis from these towns, so real estate prices are high.

You mentioned 3 kids, so I would assume a 4-bedroom house would be your minimum goal. You will certainly not get anything built in the last 20 years for under $250,000. There may be a few older houses in the under $200K bracket, but they will be few and far between. The real estate market in the Greater Toronto Area is pricey.

Perhaps you should use the following link to have a peek for yourself.

mls.ca - Welcome
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Old 07-25-2007, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Detroit Suburbs
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Thanks for the sites. Ajax, Oshawa, and Mississauga look like nice places, and I've actually found housing we can afford in all 3.

Does anyone know if Canada uses the same credit rating as America does? I'm just wondering if my score will be different than it is here.
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Old 07-25-2007, 12:29 PM
 
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Thanks for the sites. Ajax, Oshawa, and Mississauga look like nice places, and I've actually found housing we can afford in all 3.

Does anyone know if Canada uses the same credit rating as America does? I'm just wondering if my score will be different than it is here.
But Ajax, Oshawa, and Mississauga is about 30-40 mins away from toronto with good traffic, well over an hour if you commute during rush hours.
if you have 25% down the bank will be happy to give you the rest.

We have area in Toronto that have town houses between 200-250K CND$, but i will not live there even if i was single.
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Old 07-25-2007, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Detroit Suburbs
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Does those times reflect the amount of time to commute by train? The cities websites say they have public transport into the city either by bus or train, which I'm fine with. I don't even know if I'll have to be going into the city on a regular basis yet.

We have only recently decided to move to the Toronto region. Originally we were going to Chicago, but ultimately chose not to because of the crime rate and cost of living. We were looking at the same housing situation, where we'd be close to the city, but not in it. So if we can find good jobs without going into the city, the distances will be alright, but if not, we'll deal with it.

I know the cost of living is probably the same in Toronto as it is Chicago, but the crime rate is far lower, and with 3 kids in tow, that makes a big difference.
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Old 07-25-2007, 09:54 PM
 
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GO Transit train times from Oshawa to downtown are roughly 45 minutes, not taking into account bad weather, track issues, etc.

For detailed information:


GO Transit Home Page
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