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Old 02-15-2012, 12:55 AM
 
Location: British Columbia ☀️ ♥ 🍁 ♥ ☀️
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Lumber is NOT a renewable resource on a timescale of human generations. There are plenty of exhausted forest plantations in the South where no decent tree wants to grow. You take the lumber, you take all the nutrients and minerals with it, fertility of forest soils is trapped in lumber. In the Northern forests "non renewability" of lumber should be even more obvious.
South? What south? South America? Southern USA? Southern Canada? Have you been to the forests in the north?

In west Canada and up into Alaska there is a symbiotic relationship between the forests and salmon; the continued fertility of forest soils is almost entirely dependent on salmon runs. Take away the salmon and the fertility of forest soils will become depleted. So will all the wildlife.

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Old 02-15-2012, 01:44 AM
 
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Maybe Harper's plan is to sel all of our oil to China and keep Canadian weed as the top export to the States!!!!!!!!!! LOL
You know there are people here, including four former BC attorneys general and four former Vancouver mayors, that are agitating for that. It came up in the news again tonight that about 75% of BCers who were polled think it should be made legal so that it can be regulated and taxed and reduce profits to the criminal elements that are presently profiting off it. When some reporters asked Harper about it he just chuckled and shook his head and mumbled something along the lines of "we're not getting into that right now."

4 former attorneys general call for end to pot ban | CTV British Columbia

4 former Vancouver mayors urge gov't to change pot laws | CTV British Columbia

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Old 02-15-2012, 01:51 AM
 
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Sorry PostSecularist, I tried to find the December news links but couldn't track them down. The best I could do was this article from January 18, 2012 when Obama made his last announcement to the media about the State Department's decision on this. Read the full Forbes article at the link posted:

Wednesday January 18, 2012

On the State Department’s recommendation, President Obama rejected TransCanada’s plans to extend the Keystone XL pipeline on Wednesday. In a move that many have called controversial, the State Department said the company could apply again with a route that avoids the “sensitive terrain” around Sand Hills, Nebraska.
"Today, the Department of State recommended to President Obama that the presidential permit for the proposed Keystone XL Pipeline be denied and, that at this time, the TransCanada Keystone XL Pipeline be determined not to serve the national interest. The President concurred with the Department’s recommendation, which was predicated on the fact that the Department does not have sufficient time to obtain the information necessary to assess whether the project, in its current state, is in the national interest."
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What was Obama supposed to do when the Republicans forced his hand like that? Say yes, admitting he was wrong to delay and/or cave in to GOP pressure? If the GOP didn't do that and the SD waited after the 2012 election, in January 2013, it would have been approved.

I've read news reports that yes, some of the upgraded oil will be sent overseas, but a sizable percentage will stay in the United States too.
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Old 02-15-2012, 02:46 AM
 
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Lumber is NOT a renewable resource on a timescale of human generations. There are plenty of exhausted forest plantations in the South where no decent tree wants to grow. You take the lumber, you take all the nutrients and minerals with it, fertility of forest soils is trapped in lumber. In the Northern forests "non renewability" of lumber should be even more obvious.
800 million trees planted by Irving alone in the last 50 years. . .

http://www.irvingplantstrees.com/default.aspx?id=38
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:21 AM
 
Location: British Columbia ☀️ ♥ 🍁 ♥ ☀️
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What was Obama supposed to do when the Republicans forced his hand like that? Say yes, admitting he was wrong to delay and/or cave in to GOP pressure? If the GOP didn't do that and the SD waited after the 2012 election, in January 2013, it would have been approved.

I've read news reports that yes, some of the upgraded oil will be sent overseas, but a sizable percentage will stay in the United States too.
Well, I don't want to get into all the political problems of it down there but the fact of the matter is that the KeystoneXL line really DOES have to bypass the Sandhills and the Ogallala. TransCanada was NOT thinking clearly to even consider a proposal to take the pipeline through that area.

It's so absolutely crucial to the sustainability of agriculture and drinking water supplies in so many states (8 agricultural states I think it is that rely on the Ogallala) that there must be no risk of contamination of the aquifer, many parts of which come right up to the surface in the region of the Sandhills. The Sandhills is an extremely sensitive environment dotted all over with hundreds (perhaps thousands) of little lakes that are all part of the Ogallala. What's left of the Ogallala's reserves now is getting depeleted so rapidly now because of the droughts, the aquifer not expected to last beyond another 10 to 15 years anyway because it isn't getting recharged. If the breadbasket states ended up with contaminated water now it would be a huge environmental disaster for all of USA. The consequences would be so mind boggling, it's unthinkable.

Personally, aside from whatever their politics are, I think that the State Department declining that proposed route was the wisest thing to do. If it takes another handful of years before that pipeline is completed and delivering it won't hurt USA one bit.

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Old 02-15-2012, 03:34 AM
 
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800 million trees planted by Irving alone in the last 50 years. . .

http://www.irvingplantstrees.com/default.aspx?id=38
That's quite impressive for just New Brunswick, eh?

I suspect a lot of people have no idea how huge the silviculture industry is in Canada and how much time and effort goes into managing it responsibly. This is a list that has information about several of the silviculture contractors and nurseries in Canada, just look how big the industry is here in BC alone, and also in Ontario. And that's not all of them, it's a partial list.
Silviculture Contractors and Tree Nurseries in Canada

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