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Old 08-08-2016, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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. I use to do that when I lived in Moncton... But when I replied in English at times a few customers living there from Quebec would get mad ( even though they spoke English) and insist on having someone help them that spoke French ...only a few people I ran in to where like this otherwise they did not care.
I doubt they were from Quebec. People from Quebec make up a very small percentage of the French-speaking population of Moncton. They were probably from northern New Brunswick areas like Caraquet and Tracadie. Some people there can be quite adamant about service in French, etc.


It's kind of an "automatic" from other provinces to think that those who insist on French outside Quebec are just people from Quebec making trouble, but it's my observation that the majority of Québécois are generally quite zen about English outside the province. They expect it to be English as soon as they leave Quebec, though within Quebec of course they do expect French.
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Old 08-08-2016, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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I doubt they were from Quebec. People from Quebec make up a very small percentage of the French-speaking population of Moncton. They were probably from northern New Brunswick areas like Caraquet and Tracadie. Some people there can be quite adamant about service in French, etc.


It's kind of an "automatic" from other provinces to think that those who insist on French outside Quebec are just people from Quebec making trouble, but it's my observation that the majority of Québécois are generally quite zen about English outside the province. They expect it to be English as soon as they leave Quebec, though within Quebec of course they do expect French.
No ... I know these few ( like a couple of people) were from Quebec. Some people where I worked knew them hence why I know. In general I found people in Moncton were pretty nice and often did not even get that you did not speak French if you replied in English because they speak both back and forth in the same conversations. For one particular man I joked with him saying sorry I am from Toronto .. you are lucky I even speak English ( ..lol he did not see the humor) and one of my co-workers who spoke French assisted him.
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Old 08-08-2016, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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No ... I know these few ( like a couple of people) were from Quebec. Some people where I worked knew them hence why I know. In general I found people in Moncton were pretty nice and often did not even get that you did not speak French if you replied in English because they speak both back and forth in the same conversations. For one particular man I joked with him saying sorry I am from Toronto .. you are lucky I even speak English ( ..lol he did not see the humor) and one of my co-workers who spoke French assisted him.


That's certainly plausible.


FYI, Québécois often get grief from francophones outside the province for not fighting the good fight outside Quebec. (Not sticking up for French if it's not in Quebec.)


For example, Quebec companies who open locations outside Quebec who get crap from local francophones for English only signage and service.


Case in point:


Bilingual debate forces water park to change name - Archives - Ottawa Business Journal
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Old 08-08-2016, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Murrieta California
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What kind of official business can be conducted in Spanish in California?
Any dealings with the courts, legal documents are in both languages. You can take your drivers license test in Spanish. Election ballots are in both English and Spanish and the list goes on.
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Old 08-09-2016, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Any dealings with the courts, legal documents are in both languages. You can take your drivers license test in Spanish. Election ballots are in both English and Spanish and the list goes on.
I knew about the DMV exams and ballots.


For the courts, wouldn't the Spanish docs (and docs in other languages) be provided for information purposes mainly? And the official documents would have to be in English? I know they provide interpreters but they do this for numerous non-official languages in many countries.


Unless I am mistaken, you can't file your tax return in Spanish, operate a business in Spanish (permits, bookkeeping, etc.), etc.


I'd describe the situation in California (and also in places like Florida) as "extensive accommodation" for Spanish, as opposed to "quasi-official bilingualism".
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Old 08-09-2016, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Murrieta California
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I knew about the DMV exams and ballots.


For the courts, wouldn't the Spanish docs (and docs in other languages) be provided for information purposes mainly? And the official documents would have to be in English? I know they provide interpreters but they do this for numerous non-official languages in many countries.


Unless I am mistaken, you can't file your tax return in Spanish, operate a business in Spanish (permits, bookkeeping, etc.), etc.


I'd describe the situation in California (and also in places like Florida) as "extensive accommodation" for Spanish, as opposed to "quasi-official bilingualism".
As I said earlier, we do not have an official language in the US. There are a few people that want to make English our official language but there isn't much support for it.
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Old 10-11-2016, 05:30 PM
 
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Rather than globalizing or turning Canada into a mini-US, its probably a better idea to deal with their society on their own terms.

I used to go to Canada to get away from the chaos and confusion of the states, I'd be very disappointed if they lost their uniqueness.

Adienne Clarkson & Michaelle Jean were both Governor Generals which I think is the highest office if memory serves me correct, though of course that doesn't necessarily make it a utopia.
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Old 10-11-2016, 06:20 PM
 
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Racial demographics of a student body? Personally I think that is a rather repugnant idea. What purpose does it serve other than being able to say that a certain "race" performs better or worse than another. Oh yeah - another purpose - you can choose a college based on how many people of certain race do (or don't) go there? Segregation - whether it be physical or statistical serves primarily to DIVIDE people. We're all of the same race - the HUMAN race. What's next? Indicate your religion and sexual orientation!?
Sunshine, you're lacking in knowledge about the USA higher education sytem.

For your information - unlike Canada -- the USA has 107 colleges and universities which were established just for black students in the late 19th century in the decades following the 1863 Emancipation, and still have overwhelmingly black enrollments. The link below, gives a complete list. In fact, there is even one in New Orleans (Xavier) which is both black and Catholic. The USA also has 2 historically black medical schools (Howard and Meharry).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...Black_Colleges

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_universities

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Old 10-12-2016, 08:59 PM
 
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I had black friends tell me they were screamed at from cars and turned down from certain jobs because of their race. I believed them and they told me
"You are one of the only person that believes I'm not lying about this".

Racism is firmly entrenched in Canadian society against blacks, natives and others but "denial" helps cover it up.
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Old 10-19-2016, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Seminole County, FL
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I had black friends tell me they were screamed at from cars and turned down from certain jobs because of their race. I believed them and they told me
"You are one of the only person that believes I'm not lying about this".

Racism is firmly entrenched in Canadian society against blacks, natives and others but "denial" helps cover it up.
There really is no comparison in terms of racism with USA vs Canada. USA is hands down, by far more racist than Canada. The whole tomfoolery that is this BLM/All-Live-Matter, coupled with the large amount of hate groups (both white AND black) should be proof enough.
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