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Old 06-17-2012, 03:54 PM
 
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I will never go to Canada! It is an alien land for me, a secular socialist paradise where conservative Christians are marginalized and despised, prosecuted for "hate speech" if they openly declare that abortion is wrong or that marriage should be between a man and a woman. What sort of nation considers an abortionist, a mass killer, a national hero? A sick one!
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:09 PM
 
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I will never go to Canada! It is an alien land for me, a secular socialist paradise where conservative Christians are marginalized and despised, prosecuted for "hate speech" if they openly declare that abortion is wrong or that marriage should be between a man and a woman. What sort of nation considers an abortionist, a mass killer, a national hero? A sick one!
Cue excited outrage in three, two, one ....

Nice wind up, Chris. I wonder if anyone will take the bait?
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:31 PM
 
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I will never go to Canada! It is an alien land for me, a secular socialist paradise where conservative Christians are marginalized and despised, prosecuted for "hate speech" if they openly declare that abortion is wrong or that marriage should be between a man and a woman. What sort of nation considers an abortionist, a mass killer, a national hero? A sick one!
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:43 PM
 
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Old 06-17-2012, 05:50 PM
 
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I will never go to Canada! It is an alien land for me, a secular socialist paradise where conservative Christians are marginalized and despised, prosecuted for "hate speech" if they openly declare that abortion is wrong or that marriage should be between a man and a woman. What sort of nation considers an abortionist, a mass killer, a national hero? A sick one!
I'm not sure what national hero of abortion you are referring to....

As far as conservative Christians are concerned, the irony is, despite faith being more spoken about in the US, here in my area, public schools still have school prayer. There's no marginalisation of conservative Christians here that I'm aware of and I live in the middle of them - there is simply an acknowledgment that there is a difference between the things of God (the kingdom of God) and the and the issues of the state (the kingdoms of this world). (Using biblical language since it appears from your post that you would be familiar with that).
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Old 06-17-2012, 05:57 PM
 
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I'm not sure what national hero of abortion you are referring to....

As far as conservative Christians are concerned, the irony is, despite faith being more spoken about in the US, here in my area, public schools still have school prayer. There's no marginalisation of conservative Christians here that I'm aware of and I live in the middle of them - there is simply an acknowledgment that there is a difference between the things of God (the kingdom of God) and the and the issues of the state (the kingdoms of this world). (Using biblical language since it appears from your post that you would be familiar with that).
He is likely referring to Henry Morgentaler.

I could be mistaken, netwit, but I think that Chris is just having some fun at the expense of those who might be expected to fly off the handle at his characterisation of Canada.
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Old 06-17-2012, 05:59 PM
 
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He is likely referring to Henry Morgentaler.

I could be mistaken, netwit, but I think that Chris is just having some fun at the expense of those who might be expected to fly off the handle at his characterisation of Canada.
Okay, well I didn't now Morgentaler was a national hero. He isn't that in my books.

I could be mistaken too, but I thought Chris was quite serious in his post. I tried to answer him seriously as well. So perhaps Chris can clarify?
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Old 06-17-2012, 06:50 PM
 
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Yes, I'm refering to Henry Morgentaler.

Morgentaler proud to be 'finally' recognized | CTV News

As far as "hate speech", I'm talking about this:

Alberta Pastor Fined $7000 and Ordered to Publicly Apologize and Remain Silent on Homosexuality

And what's going on with Ms. Gibbons.

Linda Dale Gibbons, Anti-Abortion Protester, Loses Supreme Court Appeal Of Criminal Charge

All part of Pierre Trudeau's legacy to make Canada more "European", I suppose.
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:00 PM
 
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Yes, I'm refering to Henry Morgentaler.

Morgentaler proud to be 'finally' recognized | CTV News
It's not your country, Chris, so people likely won't care about any outrage you feel over Morgentaler and his place in Canadian history.

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I haven't clicked on this link to read the story, but I'm very ready to agree that Canadians are far too ambivalent about freedom of speech. Free speech, even that which offends, is absolutely necessary and essential to the well-being of democratic societies.

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I'll take a look at this later.

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All part of Pierre Trudeau's legacy to make Canada more "European", I suppose.
That guy was a menace like no other. In his bid to bring Canada closer together, he did much to cause it to tear further apart.
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:17 PM
 
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Yes, I'm refering to Henry Morgentaler.

Morgentaler proud to be 'finally' recognized | CTV News

As far as "hate speech", I'm talking about this:

Alberta Pastor Fined $7000 and Ordered to Publicly Apologize and Remain Silent on Homosexuality

And what's going on with Ms. Gibbons.

Linda Dale Gibbons, Anti-Abortion Protester, Loses Supreme Court Appeal Of Criminal Charge

All part of Pierre Trudeau's legacy to make Canada more "European", I suppose.

Here is a recent update on the Alberta pastor. What he wrote is fully protected and doesn't qualify as hate speech.

As far as Morgentaler is concerned, I'll have to ditto Maclock. I'm personally not in favour of indiscriminate abortions, but most reasonable people can see cases exist in which it would be a mercy. Unless one is extremely involved in the feminist movement, I doubt many women in Canada, even those in favour of abortion would describe Morgantaler as a hero. Before Morgentaler, women went to the States for abortions.

As far as Gibbons is concerned, her right to express herself is not in question - it was her desire to tromp too closely to other people's property.

And since you seem to indicate that your post was intended seriously, as a Christian, I don't see any theological grounds, or anything in Jesus' life to indicate that people who don't believe as I do ought to be forced to believe as I do. That's where that free will/state thing comes in.
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