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Old 04-12-2015, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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Well, let's see. Canada in 1973 was a very different place than it is today, so we must take that into account.

Still, seeing Canada's head of state--that is, the Queen--on Canadian money shouldn't have come as a surprise, especially to an American. Americans have been putting heads of state on their currency since forever: Washington on the $1 bill, Jefferson on the $2 bill, Lincoln on the $5 bill, and so on. Neither Alexander Hamilton ($10 bill) nor Benjamin Franklin ($100 bill) were US heads of state, but they are also on American currency--and in the 1969 Bank of Canada series of banknotes, for the first time in Canada's history, former PMs appeared: Wilfrid Laurier appeared on the $5 bill, Macdonald on the $10 bill, King on the $50 bill, and Borden on the $100 bill. But in Canada, prime ministers, like Franklin and Hamilton, are not heads of state. By 1973, he would not have seen every bill in his wallet bear a portrait of the Queen.

On coins? Sure. But not all: as I recall in 1973, there were still plenty of George VI pennies, and fewer George V pennies, in circulation. Canada got rid of silver dimes and quarters in about 1968, so those were being hoarded by collectors, and post-1968 Elizabeth coins were very common.

Our friend continues:

I'm glad to see that he realized that his US constitutional rights did not extend outside the US; but I am equally saddened to hear his "media silenced" story, which I can only call BS on. "The kidnapping of government ministers" has only happened once in our history, and it wasn't plural; it was singular: "minister." Yes, Pierre Laporte, a Quebec cabinet minister, was kidnapped in 1970 by the FLQ, which later executed him, but I do not recall any press censorship. On the contrary, the broadcast media gave minute-by-minute updates on the situation, while the print media caught up in extra late editions and extra morning editions. With such widespread news coverage, there was no need to demonstrate that there wasn't any news coverage.

Needless to say, the Liberal government in Ottawa never imposed press censorship. Hell, to this day, you can still watch YouTube clips of Prime Minister Trudeau telling reporters to "Just watch me." In spite of the fact that there was no Charter s. 2(b) in those days, the principle of "freedom of speech" was ingrained in the Canadian psyche, and part of Canada's "rule of law" obligations; and to offend those was to commit political suicide.

"Big white spaces" on the front page of the Vancouver Sun? I'll need a cite for that, and I will only accept one from the Vancouver Sun archives. Should it be true--and I'll allow that it just might--I'm 99.999% sure that the government had nothing to do with it. In such a case, it may have had more to do with an editor who was waiting for news, got none to put in the space he allocated for it by the deadline, and ran the presses anyway, saving the space for the next edition.

Let's continue:

Now here, our friend is getting a history lesson from somebody who, by their very qualifications as a forester, is not a historian. Of course, the lecturer may have been subject to the same history lessons as the rest of us in high school, but I can, to this day, point out where at least one of my high school teachers was wrong. And so, it appears, was at least one of this lecturer's high school teachers.

The Hudson's Bay Company did not found Canada. It played an important role in trade and settlement, and I have heard more than one legal history professor remark that Canada as we know it today would not exist without the Hudson's Bay Company. But none of them, nor any historians, assert that the Hudson's Bay Company "founded Canada."

Next, the claim that "the reason Canadians have socialized medicine is it began as a corporate benefit." Here, I will give him part-marks, as prior to adopting provincial health insurance, Canadians did have private health insurance, just as Americans do nowadays. I was a child in Ontario, and I was alive prior to OHIP, and I had a couple of surgical operations as a child that were covered by the heath insurance my Dad got through his employer. It was a corporate benefit, in other words.

But to link "corporate benefit" to "socialized medicine" is stretching it, I think. If that was the case, we'd see all 50 states, where health insurance is a corporate benefit, eagerly embracing socialized medicine. But they are not. Logically, then, health insurance as a corporate benefit does not necessarily lead to "socialized medicine."

It certainly did not in Canada. What Canada has is not socialized medicine--it is a single-payer health insurance plan, where physicians remain self-employed, and simply bill the provincial plan every time they see a covered patient. If the patient is not covered by the provincial plan, the physician will gladly bill the necessary insurer (often done in the case of visiting Americans who need care and have a policy from an American insurer), or accept cash or credit cards. Homer Simpson incorrectly asserted, on his visit to Toronto, that "it's okay Marge--they have free health care." Well, maybe in a socialized system, we would. But it's not, and we don't.

It's late, Nat, and I've probably missed a few points, but I'm tired. Can I call it a night for now?
Is that all for propaganda night? I'll admit that you give it a good spin, but can you at least feint a pretense of objectivity?
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Old 04-12-2015, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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Is that all for propaganda night? I'll admit that you give it a good spin, but can you at least feint a pretense of objectivity?
Can you prove what he said is incorrect? Any of it at all?
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Old 04-12-2015, 11:53 PM
 
Location: Canada
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And liquor is sold in grocery stores in some provinces. Just not Ontario for example. And not BC I guess.
They actually juuuuuuust changed it in BC so that liquor can now be sold in grocery stores, like last week. So far there's just one grocery store in Surrey doing it. It's a ridiculous model though, where you need to open up a tiny separate liquor store in your grocery store, with all sorts of restrictions and bureaucratic insanity. I expect whenever Ontario liberalizes its alcohol laws it'll be a similar political f*** u* navigating entrenched interests, special interests, and the general political need to patronize and make everything needlessly complex.
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Old 04-13-2015, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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Nm

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Old 04-13-2015, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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^^^ I was just going to answer you Chevy. lol


If the community is small enough to not warren a "large" retail outlet, then a gas station/store is allowed to sell it.

There's at least two that I know of in the country around Windsor.

One in the small town of Comber: https://www.google.ca/maps/@42.23518...xYHLgZZCBA!2e0


And one in McGregor:
https://www.google.ca/maps/place/McG...f545a0b573e1a7


These are my go to places when I forget to get beer before a holiday.
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Old 04-13-2015, 01:02 AM
 
Location: British Columbia ☀️ ♥ 🍁 ♥ ☀️
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Do grocery stores in Alberta and Saskatchewan sell alcohol now?

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Old 04-13-2015, 01:13 AM
 
Location: Montreal
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Can you prove what he said is incorrect? Any of it at all?
I can prove that a few points are seriously erroneous and fail to take Quebec into account. if that warrants your attention, Magnamoticflux. Other points that our friend ChevySpoons makes are highly subjective and biased. ChevySpoons appears fairly well educated and capable of structured discourse, notwithstanding his politically charged twist.
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Old 04-13-2015, 02:22 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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I can prove that a few points are seriously erroneous and fail to take Quebec into account.
Newsflash! BC believes commercial fishing in the Pacific Ocean harms environment! Quebec [not on the Pacific Ocean] not consulted, Quebecers in revolt! Ontarians sleep, Manitobans doze, Nova Scotians more interested in playing spoons to Stan Rogers music. Quebec outraged because it is not consulted as to Pacific fisheries! They probably don't even speak French on BC fishing boats! Horrors! How can a BC fisherman get a 7-UP in French?

Seriously, PB, why must Quebec always be consulted? You are one province out of ten. What makes Quebec so #%$@#$ special?

Unless you are what we call in English, "short bus special." You can thank your friends Acajack and Migratory Chicken from you being called that. They display reasonable attitudes and the ability to debate honestly. They make me think about Quebec and its issues and its people in an honest way. All you do is complain, and talk about how much you'll suck from the Canadian teat.

Neither Acajack nor Migratory Chicken ride the short bus, but it seems to me that you do.

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Old 04-13-2015, 02:41 AM
 
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Yeehaw!

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Old 04-13-2015, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Northern Ontario, Canada
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I don't entirely agree with all the points raised in this piece, but felt it was apropos to the discussion:

BBC - Travel - The nicest people in the world?
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