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Old 06-14-2012, 04:37 PM
 
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I've always wondered about this: whether Spanish speakers in the SW US ever really had anything resembling an organized society like the French did in Canada. From what little I know it might have been the case in New Mexico a bit, but I am really not an expert and need to know more.

Perhaps I will post the question on one of the U.S. forums one of these days...

Spaniards settled in New Mexico in the late 1500s. Some people in NM these days trace their ancestry back to when the land was part of New Spain. After NM became a US territory, "Anglos" moved in and displaced Spanish-speakers as the upper class.

History of New Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hope this helps.
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Old 06-14-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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this thread is losing its bitterness

quebec has long made the ROC its biatch

now they are after world domination

dont be fooled
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Old 06-14-2012, 07:50 PM
 
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Quebec gives Canada a nice balance. It just wouldn't be the same without ya
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:49 AM
 
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Spaniards settled in New Mexico in the late 1500s. Some people in NM these days trace their ancestry back to when the land was part of New Spain. After NM became a US territory, "Anglos" moved in and displaced Spanish-speakers as the upper class.

History of New Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hope this helps.
Yeah but I'm pretty sure the terrtiotory had about 50k mexicans at that time, less than the native population, not enough to make it theres. At the time the usa had 10 million plus.
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Old 06-19-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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If Quebec leaves tomorrow , I'm going to take advantage of My Dual citizenship and move to Montana. I live in Ontario right now and after college I plan on moving out west maybe to BC or Alberta.

But if Quebec left tomorrow, It will be the end of the nation, period. Look at the support in the west for independence. Polls showed that 46.8% of Albertans think they should separate soon. And 36.5% across AL BC SK MB and the Yukon and NW territories think they should separate into a nation.

46% and 36.5% for the other provinces is a LARGE number, That is higher then it was in the American Revolutionary War.

Ontario and Nunavut may wind up joining the USA or the other provinces might all join the USA and Ontario may go back to a Dominion under the Queen so they don't get sucked up.

That's why I want to be out of here. And if things go down hill. I pack up and leave to Montana with the Family.

And like stated before the Maritimes are going to have to join the U.S. They wanted to in the first place.

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Old 06-19-2012, 01:50 PM
 
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But if Quebec left tomorrow, It will be the end of the nation, period. Look at the support in the west for independence. Polls showed that 46.8% of Albertans think they should separate soon. And 36.5% across AL BC SK MB and the Yukon and NW territories think they should separate into a nation.
Kind of shocking, I guess Alberta is actually the most separatist province in Canada. Separatism only polls in at about 40% in Quebec.
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:37 PM
 
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Ever since oil took off, Alberta has been doing very well. If oil continues to dominate the world scene, Alberta probably could function as it's own country. But with every boom comes a bust. If Asia tanked or Europe worsened and oil prices fell 40%... Alberta would be BEGGING to be back in Canada. What people in Alberta fail to realize... it was the province of Ontario giving you huge sums of transfer payments for over 120+ years of confederation. Now Alberta was lucky enough to be sitting on a huge sum of oil and all of sudden everyone is all cocky. I think we need to focus on more patriotism in Canada. We have a beautiful nation that's working... we are very lucky to be doing so well in a time of international uncertainty and recession. Alberta/Saskatchewan and Newfoundland are propelling the country to success currently, Ontario and Quebec did it before. Things change, that's the reality of life. In the future, it will change again. We need to learn to not get caught up in current trends of provincial transfers and have/have nots, and instead put that energy to making this country even better.
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:08 AM
 
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Ever since oil took off, Alberta has been doing very well. If oil continues to dominate the world scene, Alberta probably could function as it's own country. But with every boom comes a bust. If Asia tanked or Europe worsened and oil prices fell 40%... Alberta would be BEGGING to be back in Canada. What people in Alberta fail to realize... it was the province of Ontario giving you huge sums of transfer payments for over 120+ years of confederation. Now Alberta was lucky enough to be sitting on a huge sum of oil and all of sudden everyone is all cocky. I think we need to focus on more patriotism in Canada. We have a beautiful nation that's working... we are very lucky to be doing so well in a time of international uncertainty and recession. Alberta/Saskatchewan and Newfoundland are propelling the country to success currently, Ontario and Quebec did it before. Things change, that's the reality of life. In the future, it will change again. We need to learn to not get caught up in current trends of provincial transfers and have/have nots, and instead put that energy to making this country even better.
You might want to look into the history of oil production in Alberta and the history of transfer payments in Canada before speaking with such confidence.
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:31 AM
 
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Ever since oil took off, Alberta has been doing very well. If oil continues to dominate the world scene, Alberta probably could function as it's own country. But with every boom comes a bust. If Asia tanked or Europe worsened and oil prices fell 40%... Alberta would be BEGGING to be back in Canada. What people in Alberta fail to realize... it was the province of Ontario giving you huge sums of transfer payments for over 120+ years of confederation. Now Alberta was lucky enough to be sitting on a huge sum of oil and all of sudden everyone is all cocky. I think we need to focus on more patriotism in Canada. We have a beautiful nation that's working... we are very lucky to be doing so well in a time of international uncertainty and recession. Alberta/Saskatchewan and Newfoundland are propelling the country to success currently, Ontario and Quebec did it before. Things change, that's the reality of life. In the future, it will change again. We need to learn to not get caught up in current trends of provincial transfers and have/have nots, and instead put that energy to making this country even better.
Travis; the current transfer or equalization formulae only dates back to the seventies and while Ontario and Quebec were the economic engine of Canada for many eons the various "other" provinces had to "cap in hand" through voting powers only to get a chunk of that income prior.

There have been inequities suffered by virtually all of the provinces over the decades that were created, perhaps with the best of intentions, but nonethless fostered bitterness between provinces. The bulk of those agreements or edicts, as one might imagine, benefited the voting and commercial "center of the universe" to a greater extent.

Hell; the province that could easily make the best case for separation would be Newfoundland. Although last to join; from day one it has stuggled with both financial AND actual starvation being just one breath away with the ROC casting nary a glance in her direction lest they be shamed into costly action. Her recent wealth owes no gratitude to the ROC for that happenstance.

Agreements enacted through voting powers and special interest groups that saw fit to unfairly advantage the provinces in the center for things such as the rail shipments of coal and grain for instance creat a bitterness that gets passed down through generations with the supper table discussions of "I remember those Ontario b***ards doing this to us".

It is a great pity that it takes a Hockey series with Russia or a World War to bring out the best in us as a prideful nation as opposed to a bunch of snivlers, all pointing the finger at each other.
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Old 06-21-2012, 10:02 AM
 
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Travis; the current transfer or equalization formulae only dates back to the seventies and while Ontario and Quebec were the economic engine of Canada for many eons the various "other" provinces had to "cap in hand" through voting powers only to get a chunk of that income prior.

There have been inequities suffered by virtually all of the provinces over the decades that were created, perhaps with the best of intentions, but nonethless fostered bitterness between provinces. The bulk of those agreements or edicts, as one might imagine, benefited the voting and commercial "center of the universe" to a greater extent.

Hell; the province that could easily make the best case for separation would be Newfoundland. Although last to join; from day one it has stuggled with both financial AND actual starvation being just one breath away with the ROC casting nary a glance in her direction lest they be shamed into costly action. Her recent wealth owes no gratitude to the ROC for that happenstance.

Agreements enacted through voting powers and special interest groups that saw fit to unfairly advantage the provinces in the center for things such as the rail shipments of coal and grain for instance creat a bitterness that gets passed down through generations with the supper table discussions of "I remember those Ontario b***ards doing this to us".

It is a great pity that it takes a Hockey series with Russia or a World War to bring out the best in us as a prideful nation as opposed to a bunch of snivlers, all pointing the finger at each other.
This is exactly why most of the country wants to separate. Look at Newfoundland, They took down all Canadian flags in their government buildings. Look at Nova Scotia, They tried so hard to join the US over the Meech lake accord.

This is why people like Me are packing up and going to the states after university. It's not that I dislike canada, but the country has a history of taking in the *** by the government. That's what You get for being British Loyalists.

Look at the laughable crown land crap, You can't even own a house or property in 94% of Canada even if You wanted too. Because it apparently belongs to the Queen. Some woman who lives 3k miles away and shares no interest in Canada.

Massive taxes, Regional Neglect(Western provinces losing all their money to Ontario and Quebec and getting nothing back), Low wages, bad economy, Crown or Queen's land, Laughable Gun control, And You have to speak "nicely" about the government when critising it or You can go to prison.

Growing Up as a kid My dad always used to tell Me Canada was the best, He always tried to nail love of this country into Me. When fact is I see him complain and worry constantly about the taxes and laws. I used to look at him and say: Dad, Over in the US You can keep most of your money and get great healthcare for just 2k dollars a year.

My dad was one of those Canadians that liked to pretend he had free healthcare and US like freedom.

My mother had dual citizenship making Me Dual aswell. Thats maybe one of the reasons My dad tried nailing "pride" in my head. There is nothing to be proud of in Canada. The government abuses the people. And don't even get Me started on the Fascist RCMP, The RCMP are equal to a police state. They used to spy on people and several months ago wanted that bill to pass so they could spy on everyone's computers.


The pride never phased Me, I knew the US was the land of oppertunity. And the Provinces know this too. It's why they take down the Canadian flag and want to separate.

I know I just kind of ranted here but it needs to be said. We're all tired of Socialism and the sheeple of Canada. George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, And good ol' Ben Franklin where right when they said Crown does not work. And if it does, The rights of Men will be taken away.

All Men are created equal. There are no Kings or Queens. We the people run the show.

Look at Australia, They're going to become a Republic after Liz passes away. Or they atleast said they will. I'm going to laugh hard at Canada if they SERIOUSLY put Charles on the bill and make him King. Pathetic
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