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Old 06-07-2012, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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It is not the adults in Quebec but the Kids and it is not just a Quebec only issue either but it is a gemernation of people who never had been told no..So they think that massive protests that are hurting the tourist season in Quebec will get the provincal govronment to give in.

I mean sure thay can hurt other peoples business and smash windows and trash the city but they really have no reason to be that angry... it is just something to do since the Govronment will not go in hard and arrest the ones causing trouble

Just give the ones that are out there just to use the crowd as cover to break stuff and cause trouble some harsh long sentances... If the people running around smashing windows and throwing rocks at police get caught and they get 5-10 years in prison then you watch how fast the windows stop getting broken.
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Mississippi Delta!
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Another thing that I notice about Quebec is that there is no right-wing party, and hasn't been since the end of the Union Nationale. By "right-wing" I mean one that supports cultural or social conservatism. There may be some that are anti-immigrant, but I think just about everyone dislikes the Catholic Church.
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Mississippi Delta!
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Many of the boys are rather disinterested as well, especially since one of them won a huge lottery jackpot.

That would be brother "Albert".

Basically, a majority of the men in the family have tuned their sister out, and even when she says something that might make sense they generally ignore her regardless.

When did sister "Kay" (short for Quebec) last say sensible things?


If she moves out from daddy's roof - she's as good as dead. No doubt about it.

Plus she'd lose all of her friends. All of them.
Would that include Grandma France(is)?
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:06 PM
 
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Is there anywhere else in the rich country world where students pay $2000-3000 a year in tuition at top ranked universities and still go on protesting like sky is falling down?
Yes, Germany and probably a handful of other Western European countries. In Germany, students probably still pay nothing.
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:44 PM
 
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Yes, Germany and probably a handful of other Western European countries. In Germany, students probably still pay nothing.
Exactly. In Norway, the goverment actually pays you to study abroad if you choose to do so. I don't understand why everyone agrees taht K-12 education is free but yet many are opposed to university being free as well.
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:53 PM
 
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Yes, Germany and probably a handful of other Western European countries. In Germany, students probably still pay nothing.
A handfull, you mean almost all of those rated as the top in the world, education subsidies are huge, this is nothing new, anyone not watching fox news would be aware of this.

There are tones of issues with business, governments and school, but people wanted a descent and fair price is not on that list.

The whole notion that the free market should dictate the price based on the rational consumer is utter nonsense. For one thing simply understanding, the concept requires a degree(ultra irony), and universities continually show that people are anything but rational in terms of consumption.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:03 PM
 
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What you mean by subsidization is probably "equalization", which a form of revenue-sharing. It is not a unique program for Quebec - all provinces have received money from this at some point in time.


The idea behind this is to ensure Canadians receive equivalent services regardless of which province they live in.
Just curious, when was the last time Quebec was a giver, instead of a receiver in the equalization?

And among the provinces who receive, what's Quebec's share?

I have no problem with the idea of "sharing" wealth within a nation. But if Canada's second most populous province always receives and receives big, without giving, year after year, it is not so much "sharing" but more like "stealing". It only puts a burden on the nation as a whole.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:26 PM
 
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I think the purpose of equalization is to ensure "Canadians receive equivalent services regardless of which province they live in. let's see how it worked.

- There is no other province where publicly funded daycare is available for $7 a day, when its total cost is seven times that, $49 a day. This is why Quebec, with only 20% of the daycare-age kids in the country, has about half the daycare spaces in the country

- There is no other province where university tuition fees are $1,800 a year for undergraduates, allowing Quebec residents to attend McGill, the country’s most renowned university, for about half what it would cost to attend the University of Alberta

- There is no other province where half the cost of private secondary schooling is subsidized by the provincial government. The rest of Canada hasn’t heard of that one yet. This is why about 25% of Quebec secondary students attend private schools, as opposed to a national average around 10%.

- There is no other province that provides free in vitro fertilization treatments as part of publicly funded health care. The treatments can cost $7,000 and $15,000 per cycle, and a patient may undergo three cycles of IVF treatments

- There is no other province that pays for car insurance against injuries to people, which is why auto insurance cost in Quebec has been consistently the lowest in the country ($642 a year, compared with $1,281 in Ontario, $1,113 in BC, $1,046 in Saskatchewan, and $1067 in Manitoba.

So in the end, does Quebec receive the payment to enjoy the same service as the rest of Canada?
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:06 PM
 
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I love Quebec... it's a beautiful province with loads of culture, acceptance, history, and stuff to see. I like the French allure! Always one of my favourite places to visit.
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Old 06-07-2012, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I think the purpose of equalization is to ensure "Canadians receive equivalent services regardless of which province they live in. let's see how it worked.

- There is no other province where publicly funded daycare is available for $7 a day, when its total cost is seven times that, $49 a day. This is why Quebec, with only 20% of the daycare-age kids in the country, has about half the daycare spaces in the country

- There is no other province where university tuition fees are $1,800 a year for undergraduates, allowing Quebec residents to attend McGill, the countryís most renowned university, for about half what it would cost to attend the University of Alberta

- There is no other province where half the cost of private secondary schooling is subsidized by the provincial government. The rest of Canada hasnít heard of that one yet. This is why about 25% of Quebec secondary students attend private schools, as opposed to a national average around 10%.

- There is no other province that provides free in vitro fertilization treatments as part of publicly funded health care. The treatments can cost $7,000 and $15,000 per cycle, and a patient may undergo three cycles of IVF treatments

- There is no other province that pays for car insurance against injuries to people, which is why auto insurance cost in Quebec has been consistently the lowest in the country ($642 a year, compared with $1,281 in Ontario, $1,113 in BC, $1,046 in Saskatchewan, and $1067 in Manitoba.

So in the end, does Quebec receive the payment to enjoy the same service as the rest of Canada?
Yeah, but we're also taxed at a much higher tax rate to fund all of those extra services. I'd also argue they're a better investment for society in the long term. The idea of all that is to boost the birth rate, provinces like BC don't subsidize daycare so it's impossible to afford children which is why the birthrate is catastrophically low and we need to just constantly bring in more immigrants. That's not the way things should be.
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