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Unread 06-20-2012, 01:50 PM
 
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Then Quebec is different from every single other place in the world. Just because you don't like them. Rock solid logic.
Aw c'mon now. "Just because I don't like them"? I don't like separatistes, correct. On the other hand however, I do like those Quebecer's, of whom there are many that don't play the "daddy won't buy me a new bicycle, so I'm running away from home", game.

"Every other country"? Indeed; Quebec is NOT like every other country. They are merely one province in a country at present and were they like every other country, they will take their hit like every other country that has seceded from a larger parent. Cast your eye further afield to view those countries and you'll see it has not always been smooth sailing for those entities AFTER secession.

Please take off the rose coloured glasses when you envision your utopia of being severed from the big bad "Englais" wolf and consider carefully what it might mean for both Quebec and the ROC before you throw that ditty bag over your shoulder and leave in a huff.
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Unread 06-20-2012, 01:59 PM
 
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I don't think an independent Quebec would become a Haiti, but Greece? Completely possible. We need to get our fiscal house in order and root out the corruption that's set in deep before even contemplating such a thing. Also, I object to the ideology of separatism on the basis that it's essentially French Canadian ethnic nationalism that rejects the legitimacy of me and all of the other Anglo-Quebecois to belong to Quebec. These people don't even pay lip service to the idea that we may belong to this place, they do nothing but alienate us and send the message that we don't want you to integrate, we want you to stay ghettoized so we don't have to interact with you and you'll eventually leave. If they could convince me that my heritage, culture and right to belong would be respected and valued in an Independent Quebec, I'd be much more open to the idea. As is, when I hear them talk about "nous", I know they aren't referring to me or most of my family, that they'd rather our culture just didn't exist and for the most part don't see the difference between us and, say, people from Thunder Bay. As is, I recognize it as an ideology that has strong xenophobic, insular tendancies and it's whole point is to create a homogenous little bubble to live in, which I think is the wrong path for the province. It's a recipe for mediocrity.

As such, I should very much hope Quebec will embrace Canada or very much alter the ideology and rationale of separatism. I also hope Canada stabilizes its birthrates.

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Unread 06-20-2012, 02:08 PM
 
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Aw c'mon now. "Just because I don't like them"? I don't like separatistes, correct. On the other hand however, I do like those Quebecer's, of whom there are many that don't play the "daddy won't buy me a new bicycle, so I'm running away from home", game.

"Every other country"? Indeed; Quebec is NOT like every other country. They are merely one province in a country at present and were they like every other country, they will take their hit like every other country that has seceded from a larger parent. Cast your eye further afield to view those countries and you'll see it has not always been smooth sailing for those entities AFTER secession.

Please take off the rose coloured glasses when you envision your utopia of being severed from the big bad "Englais" wolf and consider carefully what it might mean for both Quebec and the ROC before you throw that ditty bag over your shoulder and leave in a huff.
You are ranting with a whole bunch of stuff that I didn't say or even think. How do you expect me to take you seriously?
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Unread 06-20-2012, 02:15 PM
 
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I don't think an independent Quebec would become a Haiti, but Greece? Completely possible. .
Greece is certainly possible. But it's quite a bit up the Human Development Index list above Haiti, and will likely remain so even it does take a bit of a tumble.
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Unread 06-20-2012, 02:22 PM
 
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So Quebec would be like a second world nation if it separated?
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Unread 06-20-2012, 02:32 PM
 
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So Quebec would be like a second world nation if it separated?
You consider Greece to be second world? I consider it middling first world, perhaps heading for a downgrade to lower first world.

Second world is Russia, Peru, Albania... to me anyway.
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Unread 06-20-2012, 02:35 PM
 
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You consider Greece to be second world? I consider it middling first world, perhaps heading for a downgrade to lower first world.

Second world is Russia, Peru, Albania... to me anyway.
I pretty much consider all almost all of the Balkans second world. Especially since Greece has been having some economic troubles lately. I don't know that may just be me.
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Unread 06-20-2012, 02:41 PM
 
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I pretty much consider all almost all of the Balkans second world. Especially since Greece has been having some economic troubles lately. I don't know that may just be me.
Ranking countries is a high-risk activity, but on HDI Greece is just two points less than the UK, though it is further behind on per capita GDP.
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Unread 06-20-2012, 03:50 PM
 
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I think we should look at the positives having a unted Canada bring before we fight each other try to seperate and yes things need to be changed and right I see both Quecbec and Ontario in the same boat as they are provinces in major debt trouble and are losing their statues as the economic engine of Canada to the Western Provinces...

I just think the Central Canada will have t except that western Canada lead the country in growth for the next 20-25 years and with that growth we will gain more influence over politics

Sure it will irk both Quebec and Ontario to lose their power hold and influence on the Country they held for so long...But the truth is future of Canada is out west..

The Idiot by Stan Rogers - YouTube
One of several of Stan's theme of Maritimers forced to leave home to find work Mining Industry and Oil patch Out West..So Listen up Eastern and Central Canada

Telling like it is for many that had to leave in order to survive.. While losing what you love due to "economic necessity"... where it is even more an issue now then when Stan wrote this song years ago

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Unread 06-20-2012, 04:10 PM
 
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I pretty much consider all almost all of the Balkans second world. Especially since Greece has been having some economic troubles lately. I don't know that may just be me.
The Balkans is no longer communist, which is what second world means. It doesn't mean middle income country.
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