Canadian news media (outlets, top, rain)

[mikmaq32]

Originally Posted by Stubblejumper

You should probably calm down. Besides, you're wrong on pretty well all counts in that post.

I find the CBC to be the most left wing of our major outlets. Political opinion pieces tend to be (with the exception of Rex Murphy) highly in favour of interventionist governmental policy and tax and spend economic systems, generally. When discussing more controversial political issues, they have, in the past, run with some pretty hysterical nonsense stories (NRA involvement in Canadian politics, Heather Mallick's piece on the American Republican leadership). They're significantly better in regards to international coverage, as they tend to provide a more sober picture, regardless of bias.

While it's a little off topic, you're also way off the mark in regards to a lot of conservatives. Personally, I'm in favour of most liberal social policy, however, I don't think the government intervention has delivered nearly the results that were promised. It seems foolish to throw good money after bad, rather than taking a pragmatic or innovative approach to problems. Of course, what the idiots fail to understand is that right wing doesn't necessarily equate to socially regressive by any understanding of the term.

Also, the Liberals are center-left and are generally the favoured party of the CBC.

Meh as a proud conservative I don't think the cbc is truly liberal, or even directly political. The cbc tries to be the national consensus. There's a large amount of idealism in the show, and a fear of being overtly pragmatic or offensive. By default it's gonna have a liberal feel to it, but I don't think watching it will make someone inclined to be more left leaning, nor is it hard for a conservative to watch.

Fox news and Russia today are at the other extreme one right and the other left wing are basically entertainment. If you can't follow that just realize the onion a spoof of fox news is owned by fox news.


The bbc is all style over content, and Aljazeera is globally aware by necessity but is always playing to the poor victim.

[lucknow]

Originally Posted by maclock

They DO support the NDP, just as they supported the left-wing Trudeau Liberals. I used to watch federal election coverage on the CBC with great amusement as the anchors and the journalists would become breathless while they discussed NDP results, gushing over the party like it was going to take power. They also tended to do this when covering provincial election results in provinces where the NDP had never held power and it wasn't likely to do so for some time, if ever. It was hilarious.

You're equally strident as those you would pretend to deride. If you want to know what an exaggerated partisan looks like, then I suggest that you go stand in front of a mirror. Limited understanding?!? That's hilarious.

Well I just have to tell you something. I'm not partisan in the least. I have voted for all three parties at different times and some fringe parties also. I don't think it's possible that you even watch the political forum type programmes on CBC and can say the network is pro anything. It's very clear to me that NO political party or politican gets any kind of a free ride in any way om the CBC. Theyare extremely critical of all of them as they should be.

The difference between the Canadian media and the American is that the comments are pretty much 100% fact based and not some 100% lies, misrepresentations and distortions we hear every single time we tune into any American cable news show.

[maclock]

Originally Posted by lucknow

Well I just have to tell you something. I'm not partisan in the least. I have voted for all three parties at different times and some fringe parties also. I don't think it's possible that you even watch the political forum type programmes on CBC and can say the network is pro anything. It's very clear to me that NO political party or politican gets any kind of a free ride in any way om the CBC. Theyare extremely critical of all of them as they should be.

You're not partisan?!? Perhaps you don't think of yourself as partisan, but you certainly come sounding that way courtesy of your little rant on this thread. And I'll thank you to refrain from casting aspersions about what kind of programming I watch on the CBC. CBC News Network is on my television uninterrupted for a few hours every night.

The CBC has a detectible pro-NDP and pro-Liberal bias. In my experience, more CBCers are sympathetic to the NDP, but they'll often plump for the Liberals over the Conservatives as what they consider to be the lesser of two evils. (They just adored Trudeau, though, and they continue to do so.)

Originally Posted by lucknow

The difference between the Canadian media and the American is that the comments are pretty much 100% fact based and not some 100% lies, misrepresentations and distortions we hear every single time we tune into any American cable news show.

Yeah, every American cable news show is 100% lies, misrepresentations, and distortions.

[Stubblejumper]

Originally Posted by mikmaq32

Meh as a proud conservative I don't think the cbc is truly liberal, or even directly political. The cbc tries to be the national consensus. There's a large amount of idealism in the show, and a fear of being overtly pragmatic or offensive. By default it's gonna have a liberal feel to it, but I don't think watching it will make someone inclined to be more left leaning, nor is it hard for a conservative to watch.

Fox news and Russia today are at the other extreme one right and the other left wing are basically entertainment. If you can't follow that just realize the onion a spoof of fox news is owned by fox news.


The bbc is all style over content, and Aljazeera is globally aware by necessity but is always playing to the poor victim.

I'd tend to agree that the CBC's bias isn't wholly intentional, rather it's a product of the people who want to get involved and work there, though I do find it grates on my nerves on occasion. I find their bias to line up pretty well with the liberal arts students I met while at school, so I'd be inclined to chalk any bias I see up to the hiring practices, or typical applicants.

Originally Posted by lucknow

Well I just have to tell you something. I'm not partisan in the least.

Originally Posted by lucknow

The fact of the matter is that the right is REGRESSIVE in all it's ways. Therefore because their vision is so narrow and so proscribed, anything at all that falls outside of their very limited understanding is a threat and what's the biggest threat to a rightwinger???? Well of course it's the left and socialism. What the idiots fail to understand that social progress does not equal socialism by any understanding of the term.

That's an pretty vitriolic rant. For a non-partisan, you hold awfully strong political views.

[lucknow]

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That's an pretty vitriolic rant. For a non-partisan, you hold awfully strong political views.[/quote

You notice I don't say "Conservative". There is a world of difference between the right and a conservative. A conservative can represent everyone all across the socio economic spectrum. Not so the RIGHT. The right only represents the top 1% or so and that is absolutely clear both historically and in the present day attempts to crush workers, claw back on social programmes, etc.
It's because of this 1% reresentation that the left has to lie 100% of the time. 99% of the people are just not going to vote against their own interests if they know the real and true agenda. This is an issue far more in the USA than in Canada. We really don't have much of a hard right here in this country although the Harper government sometimes and too many times uses the tactics of the GOP. I think this rubs most Canadians the wrong way and when this governments term is up I'm thinking their time in power will also be up. Now, to the supposed bias of the CBC. Those on the right will try to have us believe that calling a spade a a spade is partisan. It's nothing but pure BS and I get so tired at hearing these crybabies moaning and complaining about their put upon staus.

[mikmaq32]

Originally Posted by Stubblejumper

I'd tend to agree that the CBC's bias isn't wholly intentional, rather it's a product of the people who want to get involved and work there, though I do find it grates on my nerves on occasion. I find their bias to line up pretty well with the liberal arts students I met while at school, so I'd be inclined to chalk any bias I see up to the hiring practices, or typical applicants.

Yeah the people that work there are obviously gonna create a bias, the bigger factor I think is the broad audience of the show. I think it's also the broadness of the cbc's appeal as well. If your always gonna try to talk about certain groups certain interests it's hard not to seem liberal. Everyone wants intervention on there specific issues, whether or not there conservative, it just gets assumed that this makes one liberal.

[Chris Balducci]

[quote=lucknow;24792445]

Originally Posted by Stubblejumper

That's an pretty vitriolic rant. For a non-partisan, you hold awfully strong political views.[/quote

You notice I don't say "Conservative". There is a world of difference between the right and a conservative. A conservative can represent everyone all across the socio economic spectrum. Not so the RIGHT. The right only represents the top 1% or so and that is absolutely clear both historically and in the present day attempts to crush workers, claw back on social programmes, etc.
It's because of this 1% reresentation that the left has to lie 100% of the time. 99% of the people are just not going to vote against their own interests if they know the real and true agenda. This is an issue far more in the USA than in Canada. We really don't have much of a hard right here in this country although the Harper government sometimes and too many times uses the tactics of the GOP. I think this rubs most Canadians the wrong way and when this governments term is up I'm thinking their time in power will also be up. Now, to the supposed bias of the CBC. Those on the right will try to have us believe that calling a spade a a spade is partisan. It's nothing but pure BS and I get so tired at hearing these crybabies moaning and complaining about their put upon staus.

So the college student protesters in Montreal are "conservative"?

[Stubblejumper]

Originally Posted by lucknow

You notice I don't say "Conservative". There is a world of difference between the right and a conservative. A conservative can represent everyone all across the socio economic spectrum. Not so the RIGHT. The right only represents the top 1% or so and that is absolutely clear both historically and in the present day attempts to crush workers, claw back on social programmes, etc.
It's because of this 1% reresentation that the left has to lie 100% of the time. 99% of the people are just not going to vote against their own interests if they know the real and true agenda. This is an issue far more in the USA than in Canada. We really don't have much of a hard right here in this country although the Harper government sometimes and too many times uses the tactics of the GOP. I think this rubs most Canadians the wrong way and when this governments term is up I'm thinking their time in power will also be up. Now, to the supposed bias of the CBC. Those on the right will try to have us believe that calling a spade a a spade is partisan. It's nothing but pure BS and I get so tired at hearing these crybabies moaning and complaining about their put upon staus.

Even if we take this mangled take on politics as correct, you've still failed to make your argument. All you've done is shift your partisan hatred onto a somewhat smaller group of people. Also, if you're trying to make an argument about being non-partisan, try to avoid calling your political opponents names in the next paragraph.

Not only that, you've managed to argue yourself out of a point in the second paragraph. It doesn't matter who's right or wrong on any particular issue - at least in regards to this discussion. What matters is that you've identified that the CBC's stance on issues is at odds with your identified "right wing" (the people you really hate).

To sum this all up: The CBC have taken a stance that you agree with. You're convinced that you (and they) are right, and that others are wrong. Therefore, both you and it, are partisan. I'm not sure why you've got so worked up about that.

[Stubblejumper]

[quote=Chris Balducci;24800653]

Originally Posted by lucknow

So the college student protesters in Montreal are "conservative"?

Damn it, with all the broken quotes, it looks like I wrote that! Fix it immediately .

[Chris Balducci]

[quote=Stubblejumper;24802598]

Originally Posted by Chris Balducci

Damn it, with all the broken quotes, it looks like I wrote that! Fix it immediately .

Actually, I asked the question about the Montreal protestors being conservative, as it seemed a possibility from Lucknow's definition of "conservatism".

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