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View Poll Results: What is your opinion on Canada getting a warmer climate due to AGW?
I love the cold and if true, I will be saddened by it 5 27.78%
I hate the cold but I am still worried about global warming's effect on Canada 2 11.11%
Bring it on! 3 16.67%
None of the 3 above statements describe how I feel 8 44.44%
Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-28-2012, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Would global warming make the Canadian territories more habitable?
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Lethbridge, AB
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I am not a scientist but this statement is 100% bogus.

"Scientists" don't even use the term "warming" any more since it is proved wrong. And it is far from conclusive whether it is really "man-made". Man probably don't have the capability to do that to start with.

Whether warming is good or not is not universal either. Definitely good for northern countries and bad for tropical ones. If it were true, people will adapt to it, just like how are adapted to all the climate changes, often much more drastic than what we experienced in the past 50 years.

Global warming is more of a political agenda than a scientific fact.
While there's certainly a political element to it and a push to publish alarmist findings rather than more sober ones, it's indisputable that the mean global temperature is currently higher than it has been in the recent past and that there's more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than there was in the past. There's still some ongoing argument as to whether human industry is the most significant factor in that and, probably most debatable, what the actual effects of increasing carbon dioxide will be over time.

It is also, as Netwit pointed out, not necessarily good for Northern countries. There hasn't been much in the way of good research into regional effects, but most models (both alarmist and not) tend to predict increasing drought and increasing numbers of severe weather events. I can't speak much for the West Coast or Eastern parts of the country, but were these predictions to bear out, they could be disastrous here.

In southern Alberta and Southwestern Saskatchewan, water is already scarce and tightly controlled. I've seen first hand what 2 or 3 drought years can do, and it isn't pretty. Assuming we do see a decrease in rainfall, it will hurt the agricultural sector (particularly in heavily irrigated areas) and would likely stall natural gas production in Saskatchewan, as fracturing requires significant amounts of water.
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:53 AM
 
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I doubt Global warming in Canada is going to turn Canada into a tropical paradise,maybe the temperature will rise a degree or two making Canada still too cold to convince most Americans to shelve their plans of moving to Florida.
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:54 AM
 
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I doubt Global warming in Canada is going to turn Canada into a tropical paradise,maybe the temperature will rise a degree or two making Canada still too cold to convince most Americans to shelve their plans of moving to Florida.
I was more expecting something like 5 degrees. it will be ideal if last winter becomes the norm in Toronto
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:00 AM
 
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While there's certainly a political element to it and a push to publish alarmist findings rather than more sober ones, it's indisputable that the mean global temperature is currently higher than it has been in the recent past and that there's more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than there was in the past. There's still some ongoing argument as to whether human industry is the most significant factor in that and, probably most debatable, what the actual effects of increasing carbon dioxide will be over time.

It is also, as Netwit pointed out, not necessarily good for Northern countries. There hasn't been much in the way of good research into regional effects, but most models (both alarmist and not) tend to predict increasing drought and increasing numbers of severe weather events. I can't speak much for the West Coast or Eastern parts of the country, but were these predictions to bear out, they could be disastrous here.

In southern Alberta and Southwestern Saskatchewan, water is already scarce and tightly controlled. I've seen first hand what 2 or 3 drought years can do, and it isn't pretty. Assuming we do see a decrease in rainfall, it will hurt the agricultural sector (particularly in heavily irrigated areas) and would likely stall natural gas production in Saskatchewan, as fracturing requires significant amounts of water.
claiming "global warming" based on 50 years of record when thousands of years of temperature remains unknown to us isn't exactly what we should call "science".

I admit there must be some negative consequence of warming/climate change, but it comes with positive factors as well. In order to conclude whether the net is positive and negative, we need the picture. Just holding on to one aspect of this issue is not objective. Will Canada be better off or worse off? We don't know yet, do we? Some areas getting drier obviously NOT the whole story.

Whether it is mainly caused by human activities? Only the gullible and those with a political agenda will claim so with absolutely certainty.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:02 AM
 
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That was rather mild and had the benefit of me only having to dig the car out twice for the whole winter, downside/ the cross country skiing sucked for most of the winter and the downhill was rather icy for most of the winter.
However if its getting warmer for us Canadians its going to be getting a lot hotter for those south of us.
As for man causing an artificial spike in the Earths warming and cooling cycles its hard for me to judge as i'm no scientist but i do wonder if mans use of 100 million barrels of oil per day doesnt have some consequence.
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:26 PM
 
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Oh, the ignorance in this thread is so appalling.


Global Warming Turns Forests into CO2 Emitters - Softpedia

Global warming is not good for ANYBODY.


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Old 06-28-2012, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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on a side note down town vancouver has palm tree near the coast

Metro Vancouver Palm Trees-Delta BC & Tsawwassen Express Bus Ride - YouTube
LOL even get to Ride Translink bus to see them in the video
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:45 PM
 
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As i'm not a scientist or studied climatology i have to come to a laymans view on the subject, my two options are The Earth is warming up due to mans presence and we should think about cleaning up our act before we destroy the Earth through polluting it to the point we cant live here any more, end result of following this line of reasoning if proved wrong is a cleaner Earth.
Other option is to believe its all some Liberal socialist plot created by Al Gore to deceive the people of the Earth that there is in fact a problem when there actually is no problem and its all whining from the tree huggers/environmentalists.Burn as much as you can,we'll never run out of oil or trees to burn down.
Result of following this line of reasoning if proved wrong=we all die.
Take your pic eh!
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:33 PM
 
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still. 60 years of data prove nothing when humans have existed for millions of years.

We don't know whether it is a general trend of warming, or it is just a phase. One question I can ask is, how do you during the past 3000 years, the earth has even been warmer than now for an extended period of time? Maybe between 1234BC and 1134BC the earth was even 2C warmer than at present? Do you know? I don't.
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