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View Poll Results: Will canada surpass California in population?
Yes, I think so 15 46.88%
No, California will always have more people than Canada 11 34.38%
California has more people than Canada? WTF? 6 18.75%
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-01-2012, 10:06 AM
 
Location: The heart of Cascadia
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Default Will Canada surpass California in population?

Canada has about 35 million, California about 38 million. California isn't really growing anymore, Canada is growing because of immigration.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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Just document some of the extra 12 million that are there...
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I'm not sure. California has a slightly higher birthrate then Canada (I googled) and both seem pretty attractive for immigrants. I'm not sure I know enough about California and its problems and strengths to judge what'll happen.
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Old 08-01-2012, 04:11 PM
 
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Canada has about 35 million, California about 38 million. California isn't really growing anymore, Canada is growing because of immigration.
The bolded statement is incorrect.

Also, it seems like California will continue to have more people into the future.

In the year 2050 the population of California is projected to be ~60m and the population of Canada is projected to be ~40m.

California's population to hit 60 million by 2050 | Reuters (This is a fairly old article so the projections could have changed but, even if this were true, I would doubt that they would result in Canada having more people)

The Canadian Atlas Online
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:23 PM
 
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The bolded statement is incorrect.

Also, it seems like California will continue to have more people into the future.

In the year 2050 the population of California is projected to be ~60m and the population of Canada is projected to be ~40m.

California's population to hit 60 million by 2050 | Reuters (This is a fairly old article so the projections could have changed but, even if this were true, I would doubt that they would result in Canada having more people)

The Canadian Atlas Online
Meh I got a funny feeling the water table issue in cali will stunt it`s growth sooner than you`d think.
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:10 PM
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Hi all--

It may take some significant time (30-50 years) but it will happen eventually barring some major calamity. California, as a state through its policies and politics are largely becoming dominated by one party, for better or worse. The economic situation remains and will be far better in Canada than in California, which is primarily the result of government policy. California is embarking on enormously expensive programs such as renewable energy, high speed rails, energy efficiency mandates, etc. While these may be good, and I'm all about saving the planet, all of this stuff costs money - money which California doesn't have. Canada retains large primary industries such as logging and crude oil which will provide large amounts of foreign (read: U.S.) currency for decades to come, which will continue to fuel relative economic prosperity. IIRC Canada brought its debts and deficits under control and total interest-bearing debt remains relatively low, at some ~40% of GDP. Not something that the US government can say with the policies of both Bush II and Obama. Plus California's cities are going belly-up one by one. Again, not something happening in Canada.

All of these economic issues will add up to a stagnating population count, perhaps in the 40-45 million range around 2020. I foresee the 'wave' of Mexican and Central American immigrants slowing to a trickle in the next 20-30 years as the economy in Mexico continues to develop, thus removing the incentive to hop the border. Of course, the Canadian government could just as easily make the wheels fall off in the future, so we'll see.
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Old 08-02-2012, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Old Toronto, Canada
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Hi all--

California is embarking on enormously expensive programs such as renewable energy, high speed rails, energy efficiency mandates, etc. While these may be good, and I'm all about saving the planet, all of this stuff costs money - money which California doesn't have.
Isn't Canada doing the same, I mean renewable energy etc? At least Ontario is.

What's wrong with high speed rails? I think it is a bold and forward looking strategy and I applaud it. You should know gas price is never gonna go back to its low levels, and it is shameful that a trip from Toronto to Montreal takes 5.5 hours.
Someday hopefully not to far away when gas price hits $10 a gallon, we will realize being stuck with our personal vehichles with no alternative is not such a sweet thing.
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Old 08-02-2012, 12:27 PM
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Isn't Canada doing the same, I mean renewable energy etc? At least Ontario is.

What's wrong with high speed rails? I think it is a bold and forward looking strategy and I applaud it. You should know gas price is never gonna go back to its low levels, and it is shameful that a trip from Toronto to Montreal takes 5.5 hours.
Someday hopefully not to far away when gas price hits $10 a gallon, we will realize being stuck with our personal vehichles with no alternative is not such a sweet thing.
Hi botticelli--

The difference is Canada, because of its exports (of oil primarily), has the much-needed hard currency to spend on such a venture. California doesn't. I welcome all sorts of renewable energy and transportation - but the economics degree in me screams that there has to be the money to build it, first. Because I certainly don't relish the thought of being stuck on the 401 at rush hour (which I have the misfortune of doing once). I ended up buying just enough fuel in Canada to get me back to the Ammex duty-free shop in Detroit because I was appalled at paying the equivalent of $5.50 a gallon.
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Old 08-02-2012, 01:26 PM
 
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Meh I got a funny feeling the water table issue in cali will stunt it`s growth sooner than you`d think.
Two words. Desalination plants.

I really think that it is going to be the only alternative going forward. They're already building several all over Cali.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:10 AM
 
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Hispanics of which California will quite likely form a majority population by 2050 have much higher birth rates than Canadians or the immigrant groups who most settle in canada (asians).
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