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Old 11-09-2012, 03:57 AM
 
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But not anymore. It honestly doesn't seem worth all the trouble. They want not only the most useful jobs, but something a Canadian can't do. Unless you're a celebrity, or perhaps if you marry a Canadian (even then), it seems not worth the trouble compared to just living in a part of the USA that appeal to you.

I do like Canada, but it's very expensive living there, the culture seems a little bit unfriendly and I dislike how anti-American they are. I'm American and even though I'm not very patriotic at all and myself dislike how much idiocy there is in this country, I feel like Canadians would still judge me for where I'm from and never accept me as one of their own, no matter how much I wanted to become one of them.

The people and government there are also rapidly becoming more conservative, at the same time America is slowly becoming more liberal. I think it has much to do with the tar sands and the money and power from them and from Alberta. Canadians also seem to be increasingly patriotic in an arrogant kind of way, while Americans are, very slowly, starting to lose that quality.

I love visiting and will continue to do so, and I do in many ways prefer Canada to this country, but I no longer feel a great need to live there like I used to. Maybe sometime I'll take a long vacation to Vancouver for six months, the longest time an American can stay there without a visa. But, I think in the long run I'm pretty happy here at home.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:08 AM
 
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Not sure where you are getting this Canadians are anti American baloney as this American ex pat has never experienced it in fact the opposite is more prevalent in Americans thinking we Canadians are all a bunch of Communists .Canadians will basically never know you are American unless to say something to make them aware of that fact,and if they do discover your secret they'll probably shrug their shoulders and wonder why its important to you to mention the fact that you are American as basically we dont care..
As for Canada requiring professionals as an immigration criteria it certainly works both ways as Canadians can have a difficult time trying to legally become residents of the USA.
Would you prefer America and Canada to have open borders where anyone can just wander into the countries from anywhere? doesnt look like the concept is going over too well in the USA as somehow minorities,Hispanics and illegals seem to be getting in and then being vilified for their efforts in coming to America..Fortunately here in Canada we have a major deterrant for such free migration...its called winter..
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:12 AM
 
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Would you prefer America and Canada to have open borders where anyone can just wander into the countries from anywhere? doesnt look like the concept is going over too well in the USA as somehow minorities,Hispanics and illegals seem to be getting in and then being vilified for their efforts in coming to America..Fortunately here in Canada we have a major deterrant for such free migration...its called winter..
I think the difference is that our cultures, and economic situations are so much more similar than America is to Mexico. The European Union allows open borders and it's not like Western Europe has become totally overrun with Eastern Europeans, I mean there are some migrants but for the most part people stay put in their home countries.

I don't think a free border between Canada and the US would be that much of a detriment to Canada, most Americans don't seem all that interested in living in Canada anyways and vice versa. It's not like Americans would be taking all your jobs.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:49 AM
 
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I think the difference is that our cultures, and economic situations are so much more similar than America is to Mexico. The European Union allows open borders and it's not like Western Europe has become totally overrun with Eastern Europeans, I mean there are some migrants but for the most part people stay put in their home countries.

I don't think a free border between Canada and the US would be that much of a detriment to Canada, most Americans don't seem all that interested in living in Canada anyways and vice versa. It's not like Americans would be taking all your jobs.
Perhaps not; but if you cannot control YOUR illegal immigrant problem, just how would an open border help us to control those same illegals from entering north?

I would not like to see the day arrive when our elected leaders up here have to pander to a particular demographic to gain re-election. It's likely to happen down the road in any case but I sure dont' want to see it accelerated beyond that of a birth-rate differential.
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:48 AM
 
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Perhaps not; but if you cannot control YOUR illegal immigrant problem, just how would an open border help us to control those same illegals from entering north?

I would not like to see the day arrive when our elected leaders up here have to pander to a particular demographic to gain re-election. It's likely to happen down the road in any case but I sure dont' want to see it accelerated beyond that of a birth-rate differential.
I wouldn't worry about that. Let me tell you why:

Those illegal immigrants most enter the USA for economic reasons - they want to make more money. Considering the fact that the US job market is a lot more vibrant and mobile than the Canadian one, and that salary is usually higher in American cities, why would those Mexicans want to move to Canada? Remember, they are illegal, so they don't get anything from the universal health care.

Addtionally, most latinos in the US still prefer living in the warm south, Teaxs, California, New Mexico and Florida etc, closer to home. There are very low percentage of latinos, not to say illegal ones who choose to move all the way to say Seattle, Chicago or Boston. NYC is a different story as it provides an opportunity no other city can match.

Trust me, even if the border were indeed opened up, which won't happen, illegal immigrants won't be so interested in Vancouver and Toronto. Did I mention it costs more to live in these cities as well?. There is hardly any incentive for them.
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:02 AM
 
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But not anymore. It honestly doesn't seem worth all the trouble. They want not only the most useful jobs, but something a Canadian can't do. Unless you're a celebrity, or perhaps if you marry a Canadian (even then), it seems not worth the trouble compared to just living in a part of the USA that appeal to you.

I do like Canada, but it's very expensive living there, the culture seems a little bit unfriendly and I dislike how anti-American they are. I'm American and even though I'm not very patriotic at all and myself dislike how much idiocy there is in this country, I feel like Canadians would still judge me for where I'm from and never accept me as one of their own, no matter how much I wanted to become one of them.

The people and government there are also rapidly becoming more conservative, at the same time America is slowly becoming more liberal. I think it has much to do with the tar sands and the money and power from them and from Alberta. Canadians also seem to be increasingly patriotic in an arrogant kind of way, while Americans are, very slowly, starting to lose that quality.

I love visiting and will continue to do so, and I do in many ways prefer Canada to this country, but I no longer feel a great need to live there like I used to. Maybe sometime I'll take a long vacation to Vancouver for six months, the longest time an American can stay there without a visa. But, I think in the long run I'm pretty happy here at home.
You seem very confused as to what is "liberal " and "conservative" politics. Crossing the border changes the definition .

The Conservative Party of Canada is left wing to Obama and the Democrats. Our National Democratic Party would be considered as hard core socialist bordering on communism if it existed in the US.

Just because the Canadian economy is a resource based one doesn't make us radical right wingers.
Oil isn't going to disappear very soon and I suspect you will be very disappointed when Obama approves the XL pipeline in the near future.
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:44 AM
 
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But not anymore. It honestly doesn't seem worth all the trouble. They want not only the most useful jobs, but something a Canadian can't do. Unless you're a celebrity, or perhaps if you marry a Canadian (even then), it seems not worth the trouble compared to just living in a part of the USA that appeal to you.

I do like Canada, but it's very expensive living there, the culture seems a little bit unfriendly and I dislike how anti-American they are. I'm American and even though I'm not very patriotic at all and myself dislike how much idiocy there is in this country, I feel like Canadians would still judge me for where I'm from and never accept me as one of their own, no matter how much I wanted to become one of them.

The people and government there are also rapidly becoming more conservative, at the same time America is slowly becoming more liberal. I think it has much to do with the tar sands and the money and power from them and from Alberta. Canadians also seem to be increasingly patriotic in an arrogant kind of way, while Americans are, very slowly, starting to lose that quality.

I love visiting and will continue to do so, and I do in many ways prefer Canada to this country, but I no longer feel a great need to live there like I used to. Maybe sometime I'll take a long vacation to Vancouver for six months, the longest time an American can stay there without a visa. But, I think in the long run I'm pretty happy here at home.
People don't generally move to Canada from the US strictly for economic reasons, it's usually the other way around. And yes, the cost of living, on average, is higher so if someone is coming here, it's usually due to a job transfer or they married a Canadian. You'll have to accept less purchasing power here as wealth is spread to the masses more via taxes, health care and education, and it's structurally less competitive. It's just a different system so you have to accept it.

As for the culture, I can't say there is no anti-Americanism at all. But it's pretty low (especially since Bush is gone) and really not that serious, and no different from the jabs and jokes that Americans make about Canada - I get teased all the time for being Canadian here in the US but it's all in good fun. If you can't deal with this, you are just being overly sensitive. Nobody is going to truly despise you for being American, just like on one truly cares that I am Canadian here in the US. People will judge you for who you are as a person in both countries. If anything, being from America will make you more interesting to many. And yes, I don't find people in the big cities like Toronto and Vancouver to be super friendly. They are polite but not as outgoing, on average, as Americans but they are just a more reserved people, it is what it is.

As for smugness, you have to remember this is a small country that was born in the shadow of the US. So if we are relatively doing better than the big behemoth, then for once we have some of the spotlight and make the news. So it's human nature to be a little proud. Truth is, Canadians are overstating the strength of our economy anyways because it ain't that good if you look at the numbers and we can easily go down if the US plunges into a recession so this smugness can disappear. Besides, this is so minor compared to the ignorant, American-centric view that most Americans have of the rest of the world. How many Americans can even name the Prime Minister of Canada?

Canada is not becoming more Conservative. It's pretty much like a liberal Blue State, always has and always will. Alberta's oil growth is not going to change this. The Conservatives/Liberals in reality are both pretty pragmatic & centrist, which is slightly left by US standards. The NDP is truly a left wing party and they are doing better than they ever have at the national level. Canada growth is also made up largely of immigrants and they tend not vote Conservative anyways so your fears of Canada becoming Conservative is not going to come to fruition.

I really don't know what your expectations are but nowhere is perfect or ideal, including Canada or the US. It all depends what you want of life, your social-economic status, and what your values are so you have to take the good and bad and make an assessment from there.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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You seem very confused as to what is "liberal " and "conservative" politics. Crossing the border changes the definition .

The Conservative Party of Canada is left wing to Obama and the Democrats. Our National Democratic Party would be considered as hard core socialist bordering on communism if it existed in the US.

Just because the Canadian economy is a resource based one doesn't make us radical right wingers.
Oil isn't going to disappear very soon and I suspect you will be very disappointed when Obama approves the XL pipeline in the near future.
Case in point:



Almost 60% of Albertans would have voted for Obama, and only 25% for Romney.

Also, this is what the Canadian Parliament would look like if the elections were held today (average of several October 2012 polls)



ThreeHundredEight.com

I've been checking this website periodically for the past 6 months or so and I don't think I've seen a scenario where the Conservative party wins another majority more than once or twice.

Harper's approval-to-disapproval rating is usually around 40% to 60% in polls.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:29 AM
 
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There are some that are anti American but its very few now with that said there are some that are anti Canadian they can's stand what Canada stands for and the culture there are not many like this but there are some now with that said over all Canada is a good country.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:11 AM
 
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Case in point:



Almost 60% of Albertans would have voted for Obama, and only 25% for Romney.

Also, this is what the Canadian Parliament would look like if the elections were held today (average of several October 2012 polls)



ThreeHundredEight.com

I've been checking this website periodically for the past 6 months or so and I don't think I've seen a scenario where the Conservative party wins another majority more than once or twice.

Harper's approval-to-disapproval rating is usually around 40% to 60% in polls.

Sorry I am missing your point. Mine was the US is far more right wing than Canada yet the OP seems to think Canada is to the right of Obama...which is completely false. Even left wing Canadians can't figure that out. Harper is further removed from the republicans and closer to Obama.
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