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Old 12-02-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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There's a prostitution case in Canada that's headed to the supreme court. It will be over whether they legalize brothels in Canada.

Prostitution is already legal in Canada with private escorts that come to your home. But you can still go to an escort's home or hotel room, and even a massage parlor/escort agency with almost no fear of being arrested. The cops in Canada aren't as conservative as the ones in the states are. So what do you think the chances are that the Canadian Supreme Court will legalize brothels in Canada?

The side that is for the legalization is pretty confident since they already won at the Ontario Court earlier this year. Canada is more progressive than the states. A measure to legalize prostitution in san francisco was defeated back in 2008. And prostitution was legal in Rhode Island since 1980, but in 2009 the state once again made it illegal.

So Canada is more progressive, more free, and more liberal than the states, but the conservative Canadian govt. who opposes the legalisation of brothels is still pretty powerful. So what are the chances?
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Old 12-02-2012, 03:08 PM
 
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Hard to say. The courts will likely find it violates their rights to a safe work environment since what they're doing is legal, and that's a completely justifiable legal argument. That said, the Conservatives will have a choice: make prostitution actually illegal, or let the prostitutes get off of the streets and into brothels. What they do will depend on popular opinion and votes. If I know them at all, they'll probably pass a law making prostitution illegal, because people are still pretty uncomfortable with such a sordid enterprise. If this isn't wrapped up by 2015 and they lose their majority government (likely), I don't think the other parties will be able to oppose, given the justification about it being to empower prostitutes and get them out of the shadows and the streets where they're being exploited. It's easier to just put the responsibility on the courts and not act, than to specifically take action one way or the other. Myself, I was on the fence with this issue but seeing how well its worked in Australia I'm a little more comfortable with the notion of brothels than I used to be, although I do find the business degrading and wouldn't associate myself with it personally.
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Old 12-03-2012, 01:37 AM
 
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Hard to say. The courts will likely find it violates their rights to a safe work environment since what they're doing is legal, and that's a completely justifiable legal argument. That said, the Conservatives will have a choice: make prostitution actually illegal, or let the prostitutes get off of the streets and into brothels. What they do will depend on popular opinion and votes. If I know them at all, they'll probably pass a law making prostitution illegal, because people are still pretty uncomfortable with such a sordid enterprise. If this isn't wrapped up by 2015 and they lose their majority government (likely), I don't think the other parties will be able to oppose, given the justification about it being to empower prostitutes and get them out of the shadows and the streets where they're being exploited. It's easier to just put the responsibility on the courts and not act, than to specifically take action one way or the other. Myself, I was on the fence with this issue but seeing how well its worked in Australia I'm a little more comfortable with the notion of brothels than I used to be, although I do find the business degrading and wouldn't associate myself with it personally.
But I heard a poll revealed that the majority of Canadians support fully legal prostitution in Canada. Plus even if the Conservative govt wins, I wouldn't think they would make it totally illegal, I think they would just maintain the status quo of making it legal with escorts but outlawing brothels. It's not like Canada to go backwards and take away ppl's rights, that's what the states is like.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:33 AM
 
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Prostitution already is fully legal in Canada, doesn't matter if they're working as escorts or if they're streetwalkers hooking on the streets, it's legal for the prostitutes. What's not legal is brothels, solicitation, and other people (pimps and human traffickers) living off the avails of prostitution. The whole point of them trying to make brothels legal is so it will make it safer for the prostitutes, get them off the streets where it's so dangerous, and enable them to get rid of pimps and traffickers. They would be working for an employer in a safe business environment protected by hired body guards and collecting a proper wage plus employee benefits.

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Old 12-03-2012, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Default Prostitution legal

Zoisite. That souinds like a lot of marriages I have observered.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:49 PM
 
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Prostitution already is fully legal in Canada, doesn't matter if they're working as escorts or if they're streetwalkers hooking on the streets, it's legal for the prostitutes. What's not legal is brothels, solicitation, and other people (pimps and human traffickers) living off the avails of prostitution. The whole point of them trying to make brothels legal is so it will make it safer for the prostitutes, get them off the streets where it's so dangerous, and enable them to get rid of pimps and traffickers. They would be working for an employer in a safe business environment protected by hired body guards and collecting a proper wage plus employee benefits.

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Actually, streetwalking is illegal in Canada because it's street solicitation. Street prozzies are arrested all the time in Canada. Prostitution isn't currently fully legal in Canada, it's partially legal. Examples of where it would be fully legal or decriminalized would be places like Germany, Netherlands, New Zealand, Australia, Brazil, and Mexico. Places where it's partially legal meaning they allow some form of exchanging sex for money, but outlaw others (some places allow prostitution with escorts, but not brothels and vice versa), examples of these would be Canada, Argentina, or nevada in the states. If brothels aren't legal in Canada, then it's not fully legal. Check these out.

Prostitution law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

100 Countries and Their Prostitution Policies - Prostitution - ProCon.org
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:40 PM
 
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I donno this thread is absurd.

I really doubt anyone here has any first hand experience with actual strippers or hookers with the exception of a lap dance.

The fact of the matter is it is by default legal. Massage parlors, escorts, strippers, all fall under legal.

I donno even know how to explain this, this stuff is just the most pathetic degrading aspect of human society. And I don't mean on any moral or religious grounds.

I mean on a purely it's the most depressing thing in the world to see a friend spend a good portion of their monies on phony love, or for someone to sell themselves for a few dollars.

If there was a hug center for people that haven't been hugged, people would see it as the most pathetic and depressing thing in existence, for both the person paying for the hugs and the person giving them.

Granted I'm not saying I won't ever be that desperate, I'm simply saying to say it's progressive is beyond foolish.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:47 PM
 
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Prostitution already is fully legal in Canada, doesn't matter if they're working as escorts or if they're streetwalkers hooking on the streets, it's legal for the prostitutes. What's not legal is brothels, solicitation, and other people (pimps and human traffickers) living off the avails of prostitution. The whole point of them trying to make brothels legal is so it will make it safer for the prostitutes, get them off the streets where it's so dangerous, and enable them to get rid of pimps and traffickers. They would be working for an employer in a safe business environment protected by hired body guards and collecting a proper wage plus employee benefits.

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The problem with all these ideals is that it is easily exploited, and puts the law in a position it's not competent in.

How does one deal with the privacy issues, false acussation of rape, how do you deal with the risk of std's if you are in fact a business responsible for your employees.

Thats ignoring the fact that most sex workers by definition have serious mental health or drug problems.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:08 AM
 
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I donno this thread is absurd.

I really doubt anyone here has any first hand experience with actual strippers or hookers with the exception of a lap dance.

The fact of the matter is it is by default legal. Massage parlors, escorts, strippers, all fall under legal.

I donno even know how to explain this, this stuff is just the most pathetic degrading aspect of human society. And I don't mean on any moral or religious grounds.

I mean on a purely it's the most depressing thing in the world to see a friend spend a good portion of their monies on phony love, or for someone to sell themselves for a few dollars.

If there was a hug center for people that haven't been hugged, people would see it as the most pathetic and depressing thing in existence, for both the person paying for the hugs and the person giving them.

Granted I'm not saying I won't ever be that desperate, I'm simply saying to say it's progressive is beyond foolish.
Yeah, I wasn't saying it's not legal, just that it's partially legal, as in not fully legal. It is progressive and it's not foolish. I said Canada is more progressive than the states. Not just in this matter but a lot of issues.

I don't know about a hug center, but they did a story on cnn awhile back. There are places in Japan where women offer companionship (but not sex), so it's not prostitution. Basically customers can pay to lay next to the woman, talk to her, get a massage, cuddle, lay his head on her lap, and yes, hug for a certain amount of seconds. The time you get with her depends on what you pay. You said these places would be seen as depressing and pathetic. I'm not sure what public opinion about these places are in Japan, but from what they said, they make money, and these places are springing up new locations.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:11 AM
 
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The problem with all these ideals is that it is easily exploited, and puts the law in a position it's not competent in.

How does one deal with the privacy issues, false acussation of rape, how do you deal with the risk of std's if you are in fact a business responsible for your employees.

Thats ignoring the fact that most sex workers by definition have serious mental health or drug problems.
Privacy Issues? Be more specific.

Risk of std's? Get the women tested often and of course they require condoms of every client.

Sex workers having mental health issues and drug problems? Alot of the lower end street hookers probably do, but usually not higher class escort types.
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