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Old 04-23-2013, 06:31 AM
 
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Wow! Didn't even make it to page 2 before the USA came under attack - in a thread about a terror plot in Canada no less - and just 1 week after a terrorist bombing in Boston. No wonder the only people left on CityData are mostly either Haters and Nationalists or usually both.
Go down to the Politics and Other Controversies Forum where discussion of the Boston bombing is taking place and you'll see immediately why I made that comment. I was totally blown away by the misplaced anger and hatred, falling on an entire culture of 1 billion people.
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:19 AM
 
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Wow! Didn't even make it to page 2 before the USA came under attack - in a thread about a terror plot in Canada no less - and just 1 week after a terrorist bombing in Boston. No wonder the only people left on CityData are mostly either Haters and Nationalists or usually both.
The day terror attacks become a reality in Canada, Canadians will quickly change their tone.
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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Wow! Didn't even make it to page 2 before the USA came under attack - in a thread about a terror plot in Canada no less - and just 1 week after a terrorist bombing in Boston. No wonder the only people left on CityData are mostly either Haters and Nationalists or usually both.
The first quote in your post was by Cali who happens to be a U.S. citizen. Do you still wish to use the words "under attack" when the criticism originates from one of your own people?
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:40 AM
 
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The day terror attacks become a reality in Canada, Canadians will quickly change their tone.
And in the meantime you should read my post above.

For your edification we were the first to experience a bomb planted on an aircraft and the subsequent resulting metal detectors set up in our airports, probably a full decade before the U.S.A..

The U.S. has no special claim on terrorism acts. You must also remember that more than a few of them (Oklamhoma ~ Timothy McVeigh) were perpetrated by disenfranchised citizens pissed off at something or other. Villifying all Muslims ain't gonna git 'er dun.
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Old 04-23-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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And in the meantime you should read my post above.

For your edification we were the first to experience a bomb planted on an aircraft and the subsequent resulting metal detectors set up in our airports, probably a full decade before the U.S.A..

The U.S. has no special claim on terrorism acts. You must also remember that more than a few of them (Oklamhoma ~ Timothy McVeigh) were perpetrated by disenfranchised citizens pissed off at something or other. Villifying all Muslims ain't gonna git 'er dun.
I agree.

However, I also agree with the other poster that bashing the US on almost any Canadian forum including this one regarding the recent Canadian terror plot is a sign of bad taste, to say the least, especially considering the recent Boston bombings.

Please note that the 2 Chechen men were accepted to the US as refugees and were well integrated (or maybe not) in the country. At least, the US gave them the opportunity to integrate and succeed like everybody else. Instead, they chose to pay back with self-made bombs.

They could as well stay in war torn Chechnya. Do you think, they would be happier there?
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:02 AM
 
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I agree.

However, I also agree with the other poster that bashing the US on almost any Canadian forum including this one regarding the recent Canadian terror plot is a sign of bad taste, to say the least.
You, as well as the other poster, completely ignored the part where the bashing commenced with an American citizen stating "stupid Americans".

I expect you to show up on threads down in the Politics and other Controversies where threads started by Americans about Canadian health care, gun ownership rules, freedoms, socialism etc., generally descend into Canada bashing in fine style; to also express your particular chagrin or is it just Canadians you reserve your "bad taste" descriptor for?
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:04 AM
 
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BruSan has made some good points.

I don't think anyone is America bashing here, including myself. And like cali3448893, I am also an American citizen and my family is entirely American. I was raised in Canada and continue to live here, but I am not as much an outsider as you think. I don't like America-bashing, but criticism is not always bashing.

As is said before, my comments were made after reading the comments section on so many news websites re: the Boston bombing, and the posts of so many Americans on this message board and others where people (mostly from the right) have decided to lay the blame for acts of terrorism by Muslim radicals on the shoulders of the entire Muslim community. This is very upsetting to me because I have known so many wonderful Muslims and it pains me to hear them and their culture attacked so fiercely by so many. I think it really comes down to prejudice, racism and anti-immigrant sentiment more than anything, because seemingly intelligent people are taking the actions of a few bad people and blaming an entire community of 1 billion Muslims for the problem. I'm sure 99% of these posters have never even known a Muslim personally.

That it was Canada's Muslim community that alerted authorities to this threat in the first place is a testament to the wider community's disdain of these radicals and their ilk, and their patriotism, which made them turn in their own people for the good of Canada without hesitation. I know that the American Muslim community is the same, and at least as patriotic and well-adapted to life in America as Canadian Muslims are here. I am afraid that this demonization of their community will alienate them and make them feel unwelcome in their own country. That kind of situation often provides justification to the savages that perpetrate these atrocious attacks on innocent civilians. You want the Muslim community to feel welcome and appreciated. A few bad men should never be taken as representatives of the greater community. People must also realize that, although these idiots clothe themselves in the flag of Islam when perpetrating these crimes, they are really doing it for political reasons, not religious ones. This is especially true of the Boston bombers who were by no means devout Muslims. They may claim religious inspiration, but the real vendetta is political - grievances against the US and its allies for real and perceived wrongs committed against Muslims in Muslim lands. Those grievances run deep in the Muslim community but very, very few Muslims will ever commit, or think of committing an act of terrorism.

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Old 04-23-2013, 11:01 AM
 
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You, as well as the other poster, completely ignored the part where the bashing commenced with an American citizen stating "stupid Americans".

I expect you to show up on threads down in the Politics and other Controversies where threads started by Americans about Canadian health care, gun ownership rules, freedoms, socialism etc., generally descend into Canada bashing in fine style; to also express your particular chagrin or is it just Canadians you reserve your "bad taste" descriptor for?
Yes, I admit I missed the comments of the American poster you are talking about in this particular thread. I didn't read it.

In addition, I find the Politics (and the Immigration) forums on city data disgusting and would never participate. Americans bashing Canadian health care, gun ownership rules, "socialism" and so on is equally distasteful, if that makes difference to you. Especially considering that those posters often have no clue what they are talking about.

Now, don't get too militant. I don't want to argue. If my comment was inappropriate, I apologize.
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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^^^^^ I agree that many posts I read in the CD Politics Forum are absolutely awful - this left-right split with the two sides constantly bashing each other is terrible. America's demographics in the last few years (along with political and historical events) have really helped to create this extreme polarization. In one part of the country (red states in the south and most of the West) the majority of the citizens have a certain set of values and world views that dictate their political beliefs. In another part of country (blue states that are concentrated in the coastal regions, east and west, and also in parts of the mid-west / great lakes region) the majority of their citizens have a very different set of values and a different worldview as a result. American culture can now be categorized into two distinct traditions: progressive and conservative, red versus blue. As the differences between these two major groups have grown greater, extremes on both sides have arisen and seemingly taken control of the debate by sheer force of numbers. Their statements recognize the extremes of either side, but they talk the most and the loudest so their voices get heard more often and tend to dominate the conversation, putting the moderate majority on the fringes.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:23 PM
 
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Yes, I admit I missed the comments of the American poster you are talking about in this particular thread. I didn't read it.

In addition, I find the Politics (and the Immigration) forums on city data disgusting and would never participate. Americans bashing Canadian health care, gun ownership rules, "socialism" and so on is equally distasteful, if that makes difference to you. Especially considering that those posters often have no clue what they are talking about.

Now, don't get too militant. I don't want to argue. If my comment was inappropriate, I apologize.
Your answer is reasonable and considered. I must respond to your statement of not wanting to argue in a like fashion.

Your request to not go off on a militant rant is also reasonable as I have been known to do that and these boards are no exception to that flaw in my character traits.

I also tender an apology for "pulling the trigger" before taking the time to consider the "actual" versus the "perceived" slight.
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